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Owning a gun puts you at greater risk; isn't this common knowledge?

posted 11 years ago by Rorix_2
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Hey all,

So I was lurking the around imdb/primewire again and I decided to stir the pot a little over the whole gun ownership thing.

The major fallacy that gun advocates commit is that they say owning a gun makes you safer. It doesn't. Statistically, you and anyone who lives in your home is more likely to be killed by a gun if there is a gun in the house.

The idea of having a gun in your home for protection in ridiculous. The only situation in which a gun would help you is if someone broke into your home while you were there (unlikely) and decided to kill you rather than flee when they were discovered (even more unlikely).
If someone has entered your home with the intention of killing you, you're dead. In all likelihood they have been watching you for a bit and know where your gun is and if it's loaded.
Carrying a gun for protection also won't help you if faced with an armed aggressor. I don't know the name of the study offhand, but there was a study done to see if having some armed students at colleges/universities might help to prevent school shootings. It was a dismal failure. Even students familiar with guns and their use were unable to disable the gunman. Half of them couldn't even unholster their weapon before being shot.

All of that being said, gun ownwership does bring people peace of mind. If feeling safer and more secure is that important to you, by all means, arm yourself to the teeth.

/rant

'Tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt

[–] BigMeanieHead 11 years ago

That study that ABCnews put out was deeply rigged. Baggy shirt, gloves, helmets that restrict vision. Not to mention the shooter knew the exact position of the student every time.

[–] gabby_bm 11 years ago

Statistically, you and anyone who lives in your home is more likely to be killed by a gun if there is a gun in the house.

Yes. But now remove the numbers for suicides, idiot children raised by idiot parents, idiot owners and domestic violence and the numbers will convey a more sensible perspective regarding gun ownership for home protection.

And yes, I do sleep better at night knowing I at least have some reasonable method of protecting my family. No need to arm myself to the teeth, though. If I can't stop or scare off an intruder with my one gun, I really don't think having ten of them is going to change the situation to my advantage.

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[–] txbardtobe 11 years ago

What's the point of removing the numbers of those deaths?

[–] Augustus_Octavian 8 years ago

Suicide and domestic violence are deliberate. The gun is correctly performing its desired function.

[–] txbardtobe 8 years ago

How are those desired?

[–] does_england_exist 11 years ago

I wholly reject the idea that you shouldn't protect yourself by whatever reasonable means you are comfortable with just because it's statistically unlikely your home will be invaded.

It's also statistically unlikely your home will burn to the ground. Does that mean you shouldn't have a fire extinguisher and an evacuation plan?

It's not paranoid to plan for the worst and hope for the best. My parents taught me gun safety as a child, and it's a thing I plan to pass on. It's moronic that ppl pick this one issue to say the intelligent ppl of the world should have their rights curbed because the morons of the world might get hurt.

And if you doubt that, then why pick guns? Why not apply your logic to automotive licensing? Getting morons out of cars would save far more lives...if saving lives rather than some political agenda is your true concern...

[–] macgirl66 11 years ago

As far as comparing keeping a gun in the home to buying a fire extinguisher or buying home owners insurance, last time I checked, those items are usually not going to kill you. I suppose you could hit someone over the head with the extinguisher or someone could hit you with it, but I don't think that happens often.

The reason why I believe (can't speak for everyone) people talk about gun safety and gun laws rather than automobile ownership, is because it can be difficult to get from A to B when you don't drive. I live in Minneapolis, we have a so-so public transportation system, it's getting better but it still takes a long time to get many places. In some areas, there is no practical public transport. Owning a car is practical, the risks involved must be measured.

Look at the risks of owning a gun. There are many. Do the benefits really out weigh them? I guess that's something each prospective gun owner needs to decide.

I felt sad, after that theatre shooting, an acquaintance of mine told me that his 7 yr old daughter didn't want to go to the theatre unless he brought his c&c handgun. Who made her think this was necessary? You figure that one out. That's all we need, a whole bunch of people, armed in a dark theatre, if they hear a loud noise, everyone starts shooting? Oh yeah...

To each their own...opinion

[–] Augustus_Octavian 8 years ago

With proper gun ownership, the benefits certainly outweighs the risks. Problem is, many people think they are a responsible gun owner when they are actually morons.

For the general population, the evidence is likely more mixed.

[–] IMDB_Vits 11 years ago

Do you think people who own guns put them on their night stands next to the alarm clock? I'm sure there are some people who don't make sure the gun can't be reached by their children, but if they're that bad at parenting then their children would still get into accidents even if there wasn't a gun.

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[–] Augustus_Octavian 8 years ago

Er... you cited fake statistics. Not going to be very convincing. I assume if anyone cares that much, they will research the topic themselves and discover the truth.

[–] !!!deleted!!! (6571724) 8 years ago

Someone wanna explain to this idiot what a statistic is and why that makes him wrong? Must be nice to just assume and be convinced that's right.

[–] PlateStacker 8 years ago

◎ Statistically, you and anyone who lives in your home is more likely to be killed by a gun if there is a gun in the house.
◉ Wait.. are you serious with this? Talk about a fallacy! Oh the irony. People owning a firearm are 100% more likely to be harmed by the firearm than people that don't own one! How can you be harmed by a firearm you don't own?! lmao DERP!
◉ This is like saying you will statistically more likely to get vision trauma by watching too much TV, compared to those who don't own TV's.
◉ This is also a complete LIE. It's anti-gun fear mongering *beep* It's made up and/or flawed statistics to scare and control brainless sheeple.

◎ The idea of having a gun in your home for protection in ridiculous.
◉ I can only hope you being sarcastic or trolling..

◎ The only situation in which a gun would help you is if someone broke into your home while you were there (unlikely) and decided to kill you rather than flee when they were discovered (even more unlikely).
◉ You are so wrong.. it's scary. I'm a former LEO and current Security Contractor. There are hundreds of scenarios where a firearm would help you! Hundreds!
◉ That ONE scenario you mentioned are NOT unlikely. You are grossly misinformed.

◎ If someone has entered your home with the intention of killing you, you're dead.
◉ Wow. Maybe some weak pussy that can't defend himself and his family. Someone who refuses to defend himself and fight back.

◎ In all likelihood they have been watching you for a bit and know where your gun is and if it's loaded.
◉ You watch too many movies!
◉ Why would your firearm not be loaded?! It's a paperweight without it loaded.
◉ If some random thug knows where you keep your firearms, you failed.

◎ Carrying a gun for protection also won't help you if faced with an armed aggressor.
◉ Is this opposite day? Are you just saying the most ass backwards crap you can come up with? Looking for attention?

◎ there was a study done to see if having some armed students at colleges/universities might help to prevent school shootings. It was a dismal failure.
◉ There is so much wrong with this.. I can't even begin

◎ by all means, arm yourself to the teeth.
◉ The bias is mind boggling insane in this silly post. Having a firearm CC'ed for personal protection or in you house to protect your family is "armed to the teeth" to you?! Wow.. that's some scared pussy nonsense

I've been in the LE and Security field for a long time. Military before that. I can tell you first hand, you are grossly incorrect at most of what you typed. You are completely ass backwards on some things. Factually wrong in so many levels.