Show feels so cheap - The Bachelor (2002) Discussion

[–] dini0519 8 years ago

Remember Dr Travis and Jesse the football player? Those days are gone...

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[–] purplish-1 8 years ago

Remember Dr Travis and Jesse the football player? Those days are gone...

Is it bad that I totally forgot about the caliber of the bachelors? LOL. You're totally right. It started with the Harvard guy, then Andrew Firestone, and yes Dr. Travis Stork and an NFL player.

I think it really started to go downhill when they started arbitrarily picking "fan favorites." The fans end up hating the bachelors, some of whom had nothing to offer to begin with. Juan Pablo was an unemployed former soccer player. I mean really? He got the gig because of "diversity" and because he shed a tear about finding a mother for "Camilla" after Desiree gave him the boot. But clearly the producers really didn't know anything about this guy's character. He made an ass of himself and the show. And that's just ONE example.

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[–] cbfan41 8 years ago

It was Generation X when the show started. Now it's the Millenniuals. See the difference? I certainly can LOL!

And what honks me off is Nick is Generation X so he should know better. Totally not representing my generation well at all!!

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[–] Charlie_Runkle69 8 years ago

Nick is barely Gen X, he just squeaks in, and I think he has more in common with the younger generation than his own.

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[–] cbfan41 8 years ago

That is true but he is still Generation X. I am only a few years older then him (be 39 next week) but I am clueless how he can talk with women so young and superficial. I mean he is friends with the Ferguson twins. Don't get me wrong, they are attractive ladies (like I said on another thread I would not kick either one out of bed for eating crackers) and I am sure they nice girls deep down but to be actual friends with them? Yeah no happening since we have NOTHING in common LOL!

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[–] cmtlshem15 8 years ago

It's always been cheap. Some seasons are worse than others, but some former ones like Bob Guiney and Charlie O'Connell were sort of sleazy if I remember correctly. And I didn't watch the season where the villain girl won in the end (Courtney?) but that sounded like a cheap one to me too. And Jake Pavelka was supposed to be high class - and his job as a pilot was pretty impressive - and he chose Vienna (ugh) and then showed his true colors after the fact in that horrific interview they did post-split.

As for some recent contestants, I still see Sean Lowe, Desiree Hartsock, and Ben Higgins as more or less classy people... or as classy as it gets when the main premise is to date 25+ people at one time.

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[–] Charlie_Runkle69 8 years ago

Corinne makes Courtney seem like Michelle Obama.

Yes I like the seasons where the lead is classy, although Des's season was really helped by a) The guys keeping it classy too. b) her good taste in men compared with the more recent ladies. c) Her 'winner' turning her down.

I think someone like Chris was kind in between because he was a 'safe' pick after Juan Pablo but because of his lifestyle he was very unlikely to find someone to suit him from the usual casting. I also think he is funnier and more natural when he wasn't the lead.

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[–] cmtlshem15 8 years ago

To this day I still cannot figure out Chris Soules. I was never charmed by his looks, so I was not happy when he got the lead as bach, but I did at least think he was fairly respectful if not even a little dull. Now? I still think he is sort of dull (or as you said, not very natural/comfortable as the lead), but I also thought he was less classy than I expected. He upped the show's ante on the out-of-the-gate kissing tally, and I think it's all been too rushed ever since his run as the bach. It's like there's no waiting for the right moment to kiss the contestants, as soon as you are alone it's an automatic expectation that they will kiss. I blame that on Farmer Chris.

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[–] Charlie_Runkle69 8 years ago

Yeah he's not as classy, but he's more a 'normal' guy with typical guy humour I think. As the lead, he was just pretty wooden. Jimmy Kimmel just ripped him for being not very eloquent at times.

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[–] cmtlshem15 8 years ago

Yeah I see that angle, he was more of an average everyday person. Relatable to the point where he came across like a empty headed bumpkin 75% of the time.

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[–] purplish-1 8 years ago

He upped the show's ante on the out-of-the-gate kissing tally, and I think it's all been too rushed ever since his run as the bach. It's like there's no waiting for the right moment to kiss the contestants, as soon as you are alone it's an automatic expectation that they will kiss. I blame that on Farmer Chris.

Omg, YES! I've always resented Chris for this. We can't even see the conversations or the relationships progress. As soon as there is an alone moment, it's a given they will kiss, even if nothing has led to that point!! It's unnatural and bizarre.

I also disliked Chris because I don't think he was as "sincere" as he pretended. I never bought into his 'farmer takes a wife' act. Notice how he's still single and chilaxing, lol. I just don't think he cares.

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[–] cmtlshem15 8 years ago

Yeah, I really don't see him as someone who is truly concerned over his ability to find a wife. Any time he's been around since his season ended, he always seems like a big goof who sees the whole thing as a joke. And I guess it's nice that he doesn't take things too seriously, but yeah...it feels like he shrugged off the failed engagement to Whitney and just doesn't really care to settle down. And that ties into the wild kissing spree on his season - he's not much of a deep thinker and he probably doesn't meet a ton of impressive women in his town, so he just went in for the kiss as many times as possible to maximize on the fun. He seemed more sincere when he was on Andi's season ; not so much since then.

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[–] ABBAcat 8 years ago

The Bachelor used to be the classy show when tv dating shows were all the rage. But now it has sinked to level of the ultra cheesy copycat shows like Age of Love, Average Joe, For Love or Money, Joe Millionaire, I Want to Marry Harry, Dating in the Dark, all the sleazy MTV, FOX and VH1 shows.

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[–] Charlie_Runkle69 8 years ago

The thing about those shows too Abbacat is that NONE of them lasted. By going down this route, they are risking what they've been doing for the past 15 years, a show about love that actually has lasted (longer than most of the relationships!).

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