Does NO ONE read anymore?!



I was googling Dorian Gray to try to find out if there was any word on an American release of the new film and I came across someone questioning the plot of the book.

http://www.funadvice.com/q/dorian_grey

Not only did they spell his name wrong but TWO people replied telling him that if Dorian looks at the painting he'll die. That's ONLY in League of extraoridnary gentlemen. I registered as Nightling13 just to set the record straight. I was horrified this person only got two replies and each one claimed he dies from just looking at the painting. Does no one read anymore?!

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Then this person thought Dorian GrAy's name was spelt Grey originally and changed to appeal to Americans.

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090912072339AAK0SO9

Does no one read anymore? At all? This isn't as bad as the above one where TWO people answered (and they were the only answers the person got) claiming Dorian dies from looking at the painting.

1. The questioner thought he was spelt Grey.

2. They thought he was straight.

3. They thought just looking at the painting would kill him.

Dorian liked men and women. It was subtle because it was a Victorian novel written by a man who, at the time, was trying to stay in the closet.

It's GrAy not Grey.

Looking at the painting ONLY kills him in League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Stabbing the painting is what kills him in the book. Saying The Picture of Dorian Gray is about a man who would die if he looks at the painting is like saying Dracula ends with Mina becoming a vampire, 20,000 Leagues under the sea is about the guy who invented the automobile and Tom Sawyer is about a Secret Service Agent.

If you believe this you'll never pass basic literature.

Does no one read anymore?!

End of rant.

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No...if LXG showed us anything, it's that people don't read anymore.

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People fail to realize that League of extraordinary Genltemen's graphic novel and film were originally to get people interested in classic works of literature again. All the characters are from famous nineteenth century novels.

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The characters only share the name and likenesses of the literary versions and they're all now in the public domain so anybody can write about them, even those that don't know of the real stories behind them. The original Robin Hood and Three Musketeers doesn't mention the LXG either.

But if your question is whether or not people read anymore, the answer is that most of them never really did. I know entirely too many people that haven't read even a single novel front to back since junior high. Reading comes off as a chore and it's really quite reserved for those with the intellect, imagination and patience to let their own minds entertain themselves.

It's always been true that the masses are stupid and lazy and rely on the rest of the world to feed their entertainment. You getting flabberghasted about people not reading is like me all of the sudden becoming upset that only the poorest of our citizens are the ones who have upwards of 12 children, when that's always been true too. Yes, it's disgusting, but we've known it since we were 12, haven't we?

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JtheGoblinKing, my point was that the character are so wrong in LXG, that it's clear that the people who made this movie only had a passing knowledge of the character as the were in their own books, in LoEG...and sometimes of the real world, which is even stranger then the character f^ck ups. Hell, they made Dorian Gray look like Francis Varney.

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It's called creative license. The screenwriters changed a few things to fit what they wanted to do with the story. Whether or not they read the original stories is irrelevant.

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That's bullsh!t, if you're going to us other peoples characters then you better f^cking know something about them. And they changed more then a few things. The story and plot are so different that they may as well have just called the movie something else, and the characters are changed so much that they may as well not have even used their names.

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I'm only aware of two of the characters, and I can see only minor changes in them. Mina Harker/Murray has vampyric abilities which were not present in the novel, but the sun does not affect vampyres in Bam Stoker's novel by the "traditional" way of burning them. And Dorian Gray does not die from looking at the picture in the novel, that is the only change they made of him.

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Well, beside Mina being a vampire, she also doesn't act anything like she does in the Dracula book, or the LoEG comic. Also if you want to get into vampire powers as they are in Dracula, I'm not to sure Mina should be able to do the stuff she does in the movie. In Dracula, Van Helsing (I think it's him anyways, I haven't read the book in about 10 years) talks about how Dracula went to Scholomance, which is a school run by the devil where he teaches black magic. So, it's implied in the book that Dracula's powers have nothing to do with being a vampire, and everything to do with having been a student of Satan. Anyways, personality wise, none of the character are really anything like they were in their books or the League comic.

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What do you expect - the film is based on a comic book.

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Actually, the comic is a lot more true to the literary characters than the film is. The film took the title and the idea of the team, but otherwise is totally different.

In the comic, Mina has no powers except for a forceful personality. Quatermaine is shaking a drug habit. Griffin is a psychopath, and Hyde is more and more out of control. Neither Dorian Gray or Tom Sawyer are in the comics. Sawyer was added to appeal to American audiences. Gray was added seemingly for the purpose of having a ready-made traitor, even though the invisible Griffin ends up betraying the team in the second volume of the comic.


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This post is over 6 years old but I'm on a roll in commenting on old posts, so what the hey.

As someone who has read them I wholeheartedly disagree with saying "the comic is a lot more true to the literary characters" They felt like desconstructed shells of what they once were to me.

This movie really wasn't much better in that regard but I don't think either wanted to that badly. The comic retouched them for Moore to make his deconstruciton pitch. This movie retouched them to fit into a then mold action movie.

And to be honest thats the way most of these projects kind of go. Most of these sources don't match up well enough to wholly exist in one "universe", at different points regardless of the reason I would say most are going to deviate. How ever how much they deviate is what we're probably debating. And for my money the comic and this movie have deviated plenty in their own ways that I can't honestly say one was being more "faithful" then the other.

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I'm only aware of two of the characters, and I can see only minor changes in them. Mina Harker/Murray has vampyric abilities which were not present in the novel, but the sun does not affect vampyres in Bam Stoker's novel by the "traditional" way of burning them. And Dorian Gray does not die from looking at the picture in the novel, that is the only change they made of him.

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People fail to realize that League of extraordinary Genltemen's graphic novel and film were originally to get people interested in classic works of literature again.

Well that's a shocking revelation considering how awful the movie is. Maybe they should have focused on making a good film first, and worry about inspiring people to read after. The only thing this movie made me want to do is not watch it again.

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I had hoped that when people watched the film, they would then go and read the novels but it turns out people just don't read anymore. Well, the teen girls go and read Twilight but that's about it.

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*raises hand* I actually picked up a few books because I liked the atmosphere of this movie, although I intended on reading a few of them prior to seeing it (The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde for instance), and the fact that H.G. Wells wrote The Invisible Man was definitely influential in my decision to read it. However, his book the Time Machine got me mad into this classic gothic-horror/science fiction genre, the movie gave me some good starting places for classics.

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I wondered the same thing when watching this film. I do realize that creative license was taken to give this film more "oomph," but they drastically changed the characters from their original source materials.

In The Picture of Dorian Gray, he only lives to be about 40, he's sure as hell not immortal (he just doesn't age), and he kills himself by stabbing the painting. He also looks at the painting many times and ultimately gets disgusted with it showing what he's become; the constant reminders it gives to his conscience are one of the reasons he decides to destroy it. Plus no one would be able to steal it because it's locked away in a room that no one goes into and the key is constantly in Dorian's possession.

In Dracula, Mina does not turn into a vampire because Dracula gets killed before she makes the complete transformation, hence the curse is lifted. Jonathan would not have been dead "for years," as this story asserts, because the book ends with talking about how Mina and Jonathan have a six or seven year old son and are living happily together. Jonathan was a solicitor, not a chemist, and Mina's talents were within skills related to law, not science. She was also not the beastly type, if you want to put it that way haha.

Tom Sawyer would have also been A LOT older than he is in this film.

I haven't read 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea or Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, so I can't comment on them, but there ya go.



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Okay.

You people railing on this point are so (unintentionally) hilarious it makes my mind Reel. You're complaining that people don't read, and thus get things wrong, when ALL your complaints are Far Wide of the mark, considering that This Movie Is Not About The Original Novels/Characters. It's an adaptation of a Graphic Novel, by Alan Moore, who delights in deconstructing established storylines/mythologies. Get it? YOU haven't read the source material; so you don't understand that this movie departs from the Wells/Stoker/Haggard/Verne source For That Reason. Now, granted: the film departs quite a bit from even the graphic novel, but you can hardly fault it for that, given Moore's original intent. Bottom line: the various rants here, and in fact this entire thread, is goofy from the get-go: complaints about NO ONE reading, when you haven't read the GN the movie is based on. . .Wwwwwwow.

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You know what my favorite game is? Try to explain the reason why they did something instead of just complaining about it.

So, typically, in comic book movies, they get a lot of stuff "wrong", and being a self-professed comic book nerd, it used to bug me to no end. So usually I just say, "This is a different universe" or a "What if" kind of story. That usually works to get my nerd rage gone.

Now this... "the No one reads anymore topic" got me thinkin'. "Why did they mess up these characters? Mina isn't a vampire! If you're going to write about something, get it right!" It started to get annoying. So I came up with this: "The original authors got the characters wrong." Eh? EH?! Oh, I see that eye-roll, anonymous-imdb-board-user. But let me take you through a little scenario *Wayne's World deedley-doo deedley-doo deedley-doo*:

You are a character in modern times doing amazing stuff (good for you!). But, it isn't always interesting. So your biographer decided to spice some stuff up. Now let's pretend, (pretending is fun!) you get assembled into some kind of super group with other supernatural beings such as yourself. You've read about them in papers and when you go to make conversation with some of the more brutish characters, they are downright offended. They have been misrepresented as much as you, if not worse. Now, they also think you are a amazing individual even though at times your life can be a little dull.

Boom, that's LXG. Dorian Grey (Gray, don't care how you spell it, it really doesn't matter, if it upsets you, cover it with your finger.) Wouldn't want people to know that if he just looks at his picture, it will kill him. So he told his biographer, you have to stab it. Maybe it doesn't work on him that way in LXG universe.

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The math doesn't add up either. Tom Sawyer should be about the same age as Quartermaine. He was a boy before the Civil war, that's before 1860. This is set in 1899. There is no way Tom Sawyer can be a teen or early twenties.

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Sadly most people don't take the time to read anymore. Television has helped in this literary decline.

The first instinct now for kids when they need to do a book report is to rent the movie version. I guess by now with the internet they just Google the title and cut & paste whatever Wikipedia has to say about it.

Hmmm let me think...

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It's sad. I'm a book lover and I feel they don't know what they are missing out on.

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I saw the movie first, but when I was reading the book I was like, 'Guys...he's looking at the painting...and he's not dead...where did you come up with that?' Haha. But you're right. He dies when he tries to destroy the painting, not just from looking at it. But there's many other inconsistencies, too, of course. Gray was blonde, not brunette. The painting was of his entire figure, not just the upper portion. Never had a fling with Mina as far as the book let in on, but he was a rascal so I supposed there's room on that one. Oh, and the fact that he actually died differently? The really just took the idea of Dorian Gray and refitted it for the purpose of the comics/film, like with the other characters.

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I don't mind the change in hair but the looking at the painting thing bothered me.

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Seriously, even before the film came out these boards were filled with "Who are they" posts. C'mon? Tom Sawyer? Captain Nemo? Mr. Hyde?

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Which is really, really depressing since they are ALL from classic literature.

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I read a lot, I just don't read much old stuff. If it's been around for so long, there's plenty of time to read them.

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I hope not. That's the blind leading the blind. Townsend's vampire was so terrible that Anne Rice, the creator of Lestat, said "He is cold and humorless and not MY Lestat."

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I don't judge Tom Cruise based on his personal life. I judge him based on his acting ability. And whether you like the boisterous, playful, bratty, narcissistic and ultimately lonely and rebel without a clue personality of Lestat or not, what Tom Cruise played in that film was accurate to what Anne Rice described as far as behavior goes. The look was right too, save for the height but he can't really help that and they compensated as best they could.



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Not tall and slim enough? He was like 130 pounds in 1994. Lestat was slender, not skeletal.



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Of course people read, does that mean everyone is super familar with Dorian Grey? Probably not. But even though, the movie was an adaption, so it's choices are it's entitlement in being an adaption. Most of which was clearly done to write in the fight scene and make perfectly good sense for this incarnation. It might not be the story the original told exactly, but if you dislike a movie company from doing that, how can you like any movie studio at all?

And for that matter how is the comic any better? Opium addict old man Quatermain? Not taking advantage of giving Mina vampire powers? Getting rid of the Jekyll/Hyde device, the thing most interesting about the character? Rapist Invisible Man? Squid-like ship? Writing out bigger characters only for the sake of putting his own lame choices in the forefront? Hell let's not even get into some of the later ones.

If anything the referencing and trying to weed out some anachronisms are to be praised when compared to the film. But given this is all fantasy, who the hell really cares. As a certain character on the BBC would say, it's all "timey-wimey". You can't take all these works 100% and have them all function and flow, so you have to make choices and changes so they fit. Whether you want to bother trying to make times and dates match up, good for you. But if not, i really can't see how big a deal it is. It's not exactly improbable to suspect a fantasy world has some things different from the real world as far as history goes, since in truth it's possible all those characters being real might have very well altered history as we know it.

And as far as reading goes, while i'm sure the lackluster programs of modern schools may turn some people off from older works and the advertisers of the film industry probably put a hurting on the audience of an original book, this doesn't exactly put them out to pasture. In fact in a world with better distribution and kids growing up know of different versions of characters, it bodes well. The resurgence of older characters into television is a clear sign wanting to see older characters around is still very much in tact.

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Moores work to try and get times flow is something i think he deserves a lot of credit for, even though it's not like it's perfect there either. While it would certainly be just as easy to use a scientific device to eliminate the problems of time periods, the guts to stick with it is a good accomplishment.

However at the same time it does create some limitations that if we just went "timey-wimey" as you and the Doctor put it would no longer be there. But all that praise aside my admiration for Moore stops as far as a lot of the actual story and choices made inside the comics.

I do put aside hopes more projects like this keep lots of older characters alive, and i agree with both points. Some may be turned off by what school puts us through, but with a lot of these works now easier to come bye, those that want them should have little problem finding and sharing them. A portion of our population got screwed in the last decade with bad pop culture exposure but those days are gone. With technology putting entertainment in our hands faster along with the older mediums still hanging on there, it's never been easier to put the material into new hands, all we need is to spark the interest and the flames should burn successfully for years to come.

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The problem with "different versions of old characters" is that all too often they mistake the modern revisionist versions of old characters for the original. I can't begin to go into the encounters I've had with those who've seen Coppola's "Dracula" and are convinced that Dracula is a swooning eurotrash playboy in the original, or that the original novel has a reincarnated-love subplot. I've talked to people confused by the original novel..."Why did they cut out the part about Mina being Dracula's reincarnated wife?" I was asked, and I get to witness their confusion when I tell them that was made up for the movie.


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and I get to witness their confusion when I tell them that was made up for the movie.


To be fair, Coppola didn't invent that. It was first done on the TV show Dark Shadows and then for Dan Curtis's Dracula starring Jack Palance. Dan Curtis created Dark Shadows and likely borrowed the reincarnation thing from The mummy movies but it worked so well for his vampire, Barnabas, that he used it for Dracula. Then it was used in Love at First bite and finally Coppola's Dracula which is more closely connected to Fred Saberhagen's The Dracula Tape than the actual Stoker novel but still enjoyable.

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