I know it's been awhile. I was a rabid Sopranos fan but never watched this series. I remember hearing about it. But I don't remember any controversies about the content. Were there any? I mean...I'm on season three right now and the way blacks are portrayed is incredible. I'm not offended. I'm just shocked they got away with it.
I don't think there is a single, simplistic way that "blacks" are portrayed in this show. Is Omar portrayed the same way as Lester Freamon? Or Prop Joe and Carver, or even Avon and Stringer?
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Fair point. I admit to at least some bias. But let's not kid ourselves. You know what I mean. Nobody can watch that show without thinking less of black culture. It's just relentless. The crime and squalor and utter lack of civility. They're animals, and they're even called animals within the show.
That said, I've never found myself wavering in my respect for Lester, Daniels, et al. But I feel like even the show itself is saying, "They're the good ones."
Some silly groups purporting to represent Italian Americans would complain about how their constituency was portrayed on The Sopranos. Were there silly groups saying the same about The Wire when it was hot?
Seriously? Sure, murder and drug use is/was high. But the interpersonal portrayal seems shockingly embattled. Even among themselves (in the show), they (blacks) can't even converse like humans. There is constant rudeness and tension. Nary a simple hello without somebody risking a beef by being confrontational. It's hard to watch.
It can't be like that. It just can't.
Then again, I thought the same thing while watching Straight Outta Compton.
Nobody can watch that show without thinking less of black culture. It's just relentless. The crime and squalor and utter lack of civility.
No, not really. I don't think that black culture has much to do with anything, the show is about poor people living in crappy conditions with little hope that things are ever going to get better. Look at any poor city\country with predominately white population and high unemployment rates, and you'll see about the same levels of crime and corruption.
Were there silly groups saying the same about The Wire when it was hot?
I'm not so sure poverty is the only factor. Show me a single American city where poor white people live the same way.
Keep in mind, I think the show must be overplaying things for effect. I do think there is a problem in black America regarding their culture, but it can't be this bad.
It's not the fact that they are black that is causing the characters to behave this way, it's that they aren't given any opportunities due to the living conditions they have been born into. This is pretty thoroughly explored in Season 4 by looking at the school system and parents the children live with.
So much for blacks and their blues, jazz, and rock and roll and comedic talent that virtually the entire world enjoys. if civility is built by the merits of creativity then blacks hold as much limitations as whites or Asians.
animals, you call them. I consider them untamed beasts of a failed culture and state. even the term 'black culture' is already vague and ethnically myopic.
Show me a single American city where poor white people live the same way.
Given that civilization has been around for thousands of years, I'm pretty certain that there were crime ridden white neighborhoods in archaic nations equally just as bad that simply weren't cataloged and quantified with the benefits of modern policing and judicial records. You're really basing a phenomenon that's only 50 or 100 years so small compared to the vastness of criminal lineage throughout anthropological history.
It seems as though you're referring specifically to the black drug dealers; the people who've opted - or drifted, or felt forced - into that life. As their occupation is filled with "tension," it makes sense to me that their presenting themselves as tough, in-your-face, and even ruthless, is necessary for success and even survival in their world.
I'm a few episodes into S3, myself, and just watched a scene set in a community meeting, at which people living in the same neighborhoods complain angrily to the police about wanting the dealers gone. These people are black, too, but we see few of them as the storyline (at least in S1 and S3) focuses on policing not the poor black community as a whole, but a subset of it.
Everyone likes to say how real the wire is, but it is still a fictional show where many things were done for dramatic effect and half was made up. Also, it's a very ideological show-it's essayistic in its approach. Thus Marlo is more of an idea than a character- the idea being that taking out one leader leads to instant replacement, possibly with someone worse. Nothing on the show was "real" it was all drama, with realistic details, but it was ALL still fiction. The concept, ideas have truth to them, but you could make the same show focusing on different theses, for example, the amount of mental illness in schools and ptsd in the hood, property tax as tuition, teacher burnout, rather than "corner kids vs normal kids"- which serves the thesis of the show- Not reality- thus drug trade dictates the school problems and most teachers are good stuck in a bad system. I worked in inner city schools for years, and it's not like on the wire, but the schools in the show serve a very good thesis, about the nature of bureaucracy, which has an air of truth to it, but in no way are you watching a hidden camera show.
And as for your other point, yes, this does portray black life and urban culture as incredibly dark and depressing. I doubt BLM would be ok with it today. I lived in a poor black area when i first watched it and was almost like holy *beep* is this really going on? But it's not in the everyday sense, and is in the macro sense. But all my friends in the area, even kids involved in the drug trade had pretty humdrum lives most of the time, until the rare day they didn't- that day-amplified for drama, would be on The Wire.