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Hollywood Audiences Are Blind!


I am currently a film student at MSU in Montana. For one of the classes I am taking right now, I am working on an essay about modern racist hollywood films, like Bringing Down the House. While this movie appears to be a harmless comedy where white and black stereotypes are dramatized to incite laghter and awareness, in reality, this movie actually perpetuates racial stereotypes through various subtext and undertones. Aside from obvious racist images and scenes that were meant to be harmless and strictly for laughter, Bringing Down the House is full of underlying messages, some of which suggest that for blacks to become more "civilized" and even more respectable, it is neccesary for them to become more "white", supressing culture and racial personalities. When reading into this film, we see white people becomeing more "black", in some cases (like Steve Martin's), only temporarily, as a means to solve a particular solution. For example, Steve can talk to his troubled kids and repair his shattered marraige only AFTER he has temporarily adopted black speech and behavior. In short, the film suggests that it is imparative for whites to "loosen up" or become more "black", which historically has carried associations of being closer to the earth, more alive and spirited. Only until this stigma of the "un-cool" white guy and the salvation from the "troubled black guy" ends will we begin to see genuine racial progress in America. Boycott this film and others like it, Head of State and Malibu's Most Wanted. I realise most of you will never understand or apreciate this knowlege, and that is why racial tensions and seperations worldwide will persist. If you are a true advocat for change, and not some gullable American brain-washed fool, you will understand and act accordingly.

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well bringing down the house looks terible but I probally still end up seeing it and loveing it, and by the way it is a freakin movie, its just stupid to act offended, BOO!

JERKS!

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so let me get this straight, even though you know the movie will suck, you still are going to pay them money and see it and in your illiterate terms, "will end up LOVEING it". Thank you Flushey, you are living proof once again that you dont have to be smart to formulate an opinion!





DOUCHEBAG!

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wow.....you're clearly retarded!

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I like french fries

JERKS!

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If you are doing a paper on the perpetuation of stereotypes, here are some references:

Toms, Coons, Mulattoes, Mammies & Buck by Donald Bogle
Slow Fade to Black, Black Film As Genre - Thomas Cripps
From Sambo to SuperSpade - Daniel J. Leab
Reel Racism: Confronting Hollywood's Construction of Afro-American Culture-
Vincent F. Rocchio
Black Looks - bell hooks

Good luck, these stereotypes are so embedded into our culture that black filmakers use them so that their films can be "commercial". It is a sad state of affairs when the real joys and trouble of black life cannot be put on the screen because the majority of American is so used to the stereotypes they have been fed for the last 110 years.


The amazing thing about Bringing Down the House is that Latifah's character combines the stereotype of the black criminal (usually only dark skinned black men),the mammy (I thought she was dead when Give Me A Break Went off the air) who cares for the white master of the house and his children and the coon who cannot survive in civilization without white assistance. At least Hollywood is getting more sophisticated with their racist characterizations!!!!!

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It's a fun move; pure and simple. Just enjoy the ride cause you only live once, BOO!

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why do you retarted children think it is important to put BOO at the end of your comment? do you think you are being cool or accurate with that usage? wise up kids, if this computer could show your race, im sure it would be younge, white, and dumb as sh*t!

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"if this computer could show your race, im sure it would be younge, white, and dumb as sh*t!"
for someone who complains about racism, thats a pretty racist statement.
and by the way there are more stupid people in the world than smart ones, and frozenbozeman let me put it like this, you aren't outnumbered.

JERKS!

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hey flushey, don't you find it funny that you take pride in being stupid?

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Well being stupid is pretty much all I have, so what else would I take pride in. At least I admit it

JERKS!

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wow, you gave the first intelligent reply so far. Thank you for your references and reply, i have already read Toms, Coons, Mulattoes, Mammies & Buck by Donald Bogle and I found it informative and factual. I agree; as a film scholar, i find it offensive that this is as racially progressive as hollywood can get. Fight the good fight cheri, know that unlike most of the brain-dead morons on thi site, there are those that are educated and are working to stop this bullsh*t now and forever

right on sister!

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While I do think that racist ideas still deeply perpetuate American society and are shown in underlying themes in films, please do not seperate people into "those who agree with you" and "idiotic retards", even if most of those who have disagreed with you are. Never argue with an idiot, they pull you down to their level and beat you with experience. Simply ignore them. Easy enough.

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Let me get this straight, there are only two groups. These groups are advocats (sic) for change and brain washed fools. Uh huh. When you finish your essay send me a copy and I'll explain to you what's wrong with it.

But then again I have to give you credit for getting complete strangers to contribute and write it for you with their replies to your post.

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"In short, the film suggests that it is imparative for whites to "loosen up" or become more "black", which historically has carried associations of being closer to the earth, more alive and spirited. Only until this stigma of the "un-cool" white guy and the salvation from the "troubled black guy" ends will we begin to see genuine racial progress in America. "

frozenbozeman,

I don't think that just by changing the perspective of the uncool white guy and the troubled black guy will cause racial progress in America. There is little to no appreciation of the struggles of African Americans in the United States nor is there an appreciation or understanding of their culture. In "Bringing Down the House" racial boundries are crossed by both Steve Martin and Queen Latifah's characters, which shows racial change. I will not say there is nothing racist about this movie, but it isn't all bad.

Both "Head of State" and "Bringing Down the House" have leading characters who are played by Black actors. This signals racial change and gives the Black community role models. There are those who can succeed but, it's sometimes unfortunate that they have to act in these type of movies and are stereotypes.

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I am white, my wife is black and we both loved the movie. If you want my feedback I guess you could say we did not see this movie as racist. It simply
used black and white issues as a basis to bring to light a more important
issue which is family disfunctionality, and the need to drop your ego and get humble with those you love most. The movie concludes with Steve Martin's character reuniting with his wife. Both character's realized they need to put pride and business #2 to help them get back what they lost.

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another intelligent response, but you are only half right my friend. this movie used black and white stereotypes, not "issues", (which by definition are simplified, negative veiws of an entire group of peoples), to do two things: first, dramatize the charachters for the purpose of entertainment, and two, create a situational-based comedy where essentially, a white guy adopts temporarily black style and language in order to get ahead in life, and a black escaped convict adopts white style and language in order to free herself from the perpetuating struggles of being black.

whether or not you see this movie as racist is irregardless of the fact that it is racist. My only goal in posting such a statement on a message board is to see if i can receive intelligent feedback to a troubling problem. in this case, you have done so and i thank you. I also, as my message states, emplore you and your wife to see two other movies recently released which also carry similar racist undertones (Head of State and Malibu's Most Wanted) and truly wiegh the facts and judge for yourselves if these movies are harmless of really do contain deep subtextual racist messages.

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another intelligent response, this i am pleased with

yes my friend, real racial progression can not occur overnight, and while this may seem like a harmless movie and nothing more, it is truly a contributing factor to the degredation of race relations in america.

i agree, there is little appreciation for the stuggles and culture of the black man in america, and these movies, regardless of their lead actors, perpetuates, not dispells racial stereotypes for the purpose of entertainment, and that is not right. But without bursting your bubble, no racial boundaries were crossed by those characters. Both steve and queen used their steretypical black/white personalities to gain certain priveliges, (queen being aquitted and steve getting his family back). ultimatly, the most racist parts of these movies are the fact that black actors are now playing a new role in hollywood's ongoing minstrel show: blacks play the mesiaah, helping both themselves and their racial counterparts through adversity. If this doesnt work, then they resume the role of slacker/criminal/fool.

I would like to believe that people like queen latifa and chris rock could be rolemodels to young blacks wanting to be actors, but their participation in both of those films suggest that they merely "sold out" in a sense, to hollywood, by allowing themselves to create and star in racially un-progressive cinema. for this, i have no more respect for either actor

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I agree with your insight and its sad that this has to be. Even Steven Harris sold out and we like his character on "The Practice". I think the underlying theme is trying to fill as many seats as possible to get the $$$. White Steve Martin fans in their mid 30's - 40's and Queen Latifa/black movie fans in their early 20's to mid 40's represent a CHUNK of the population. Its all statistics and percentages from there when a producer decides to invest their money into a project. If they shell out 30 million and get 75 million back they will be happy with that and other producers will inject that formula into similiar movies. Have you seen "Barton Fink"? - CLASSIC!
I would have no interest in seeing the other two movies because I don't think Kennedy or Rock are all that funny. In my opinion the biggest rip off movie that Hollywood tried to sell us was that Anthony Hopkins/Chris Rock action fiasco that came out last year. The only black actor I can think of that has broken the stereotype barrier is Denzel Washington.
If you are a fan of "Star Trek - Enterprise" I think you would have been impressed with last weeks episode of Anthony Montgomery's performance. He goes back to his family's space freighter only to discover his sick father has passed away. He is in confrontation with his brother, but the two manage to work together to avoid smugglers attacking their ship. Anthony Montgomery is black, but there is no mention that it is a race issue. The show in itself sends a message that it is wrong to discriminate regardless of rank, personality, color or race. What is important is working together for the common good.

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> If you are a fan of "Star Trek - Enterprise" I think you would have been
> impressed with last weeks episode of Anthony Montgomery's performance.

Actually, the entire Star Trek genre has been credited with breaking down racial and social stereotypes since 1965. Nichelle Nichols (Uhura) was one of the first black actresses in a leading role. (Her book is interesting reading in this subject).

Science Fiction has long been able to "tackle" politically or socially charged issues because viewers are able to "disassociate" current realities from what they read or see on the screen...often because the "injustice" is done to an alien race or persons in the future (so "we" don't have to worry about it).

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I can't really say anything about America itself, since I don't live there, but I go to an International school run by Americans, and it seems to me that there is a great attempt at understanding and appreciating not only African American's but all other races in America. Maybe it is different across the Atlantic, but from my little taste of Americans, especially the new generation, seem to be more open, and understanding.

I myself didn't take Bringing Down the House seriously at all. I knew beforehand that it was being slammed for being racist, and so expected it. I could definitely see how people were offended.

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Last time I looked Hollywood was all about business (ie making money) not about being the world's conscience.

This movie is all about making money.

While we are on the topic then why not criticise other "racist" movies like Lord Of The Rings and Star Wars. The storylines of these movies perpetuates the belief the black is evil and white is good.

Most movie makers are out to make a profit, to do this they try to come up with storylines that a large portion of the population will enjoy.

Most movie goers just want a bit of escapism from reality.

This movie is far from being a blockbuster but it is a good piece of fluff which is what most movie goers prefer.

If you want to see a movie with a conscience then why go see a movie like this one?

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First surandy, i saw this movie in conjunction with a term paper i am writing for one of my film classes in college. Yes, i am very aware that this movie lacks a conscience, as well as the other two movies i saw also discussed in my initial post. And even though it was for a legitimate assignment, i still feel like a douchebag for paying to see them, even though i reject their idea entirely.

while we are on the subject, i must refute your first claim that hollywood is all about making money: this i agree with, but that doesnt mean that hollywood can't creat entertaining AND thought-provoking films at the same time. Remember the late 60's/early 70's? this was a period of cultural and social rebirth in america. Essentially, people were tired of ther 1950's way of life. they rebelled in the streets, civil rights and women's movements made serious advancements, and above all, when a dramatic change occurs in a social zietgiest, it is reflected in the art that is produced within that society. Movies of the late 60's/early 70's broke new ground in everything from filming technique to narrative style, as a direct result of the changes taking place at that time.

my friend, the revolution is comming for us NOW. As we speak, America grows weary of faux-reality TV, recycled pop music, and above all, commerciallized, franchise-based hollywood filmaking. Though the public will not truly cast these trends aside for about another 4-5 years, it is already happening. and just like the 60's and 70's, my generation, the next group of concious, film-hungry, respectable scholars will graduate from film school ready to insight the same social and artistic change that made our parent's generation so great. If you were to tell someone in 1963 that movies like Bonnie and Clyde and The Graduate would be even made, let alone become internationally popular, they would tell you your crazy, no different here. But my friend, i assure you, this next crop of film school graduates, which i will be leading at the forefront, will take the growing disgruntled calls of americans and re-direct the entertainment medium thusly. THE REVOLUTION IS COMMING - WHICH SIDE DO YOU WANT TO BE ON?

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oh come on, you cant name a 70's film that is more cultrally and socially rebirthing than Head of State

JERKS(exclamation mark)

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I know this post is old, but isn't the combining of each others cultures through their unlikely friendship a good thing?

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Obviously, you need to thaw your brain in Missoula to get a better perspective of "modern racist hollywood films". Nothing in the film suggests that blacks "need to become more civilized". In fact, the film revels in and appreciates the cultural differences between blacks and whites, and makes no apologies for it. If you took the time to watch the DVD extras (especially since you claim to be a film student), you'd understand the influence and impact that Queen Latifah brought to the film.

What makes you think that anything Steve Martin's character did to talk to his troubled kids or repair his troubled marriage was "temporary" or for that matter "black"? The character's main "issue" was that he was a workaholic and cared more about money, status, and himself than family. This is stereotypically a white "problem", but is not unique to any particular race. Taking time to listen to your kids, and turning off the cell phone, is not particularly a "black" solution...and the scene in the movie where he "adopts black speech" to talk to his daughter is meant to be funny, and an obviously painful attempt to reach out to his kids, nothing more.

In fact, reading your last three (mis-spelled and grammatically incorrect) sentences, it becomes painfully obvious that it is in fact you appear to be racist, and apparently blissfully unaware.

The films main message, if there is one: lighten up! Have fun! Be yourself and not something you think other people want you to be. Note that in the end, *despite* the obvious racial stereotypes that Mrs Arness grows up with, and after being "kidnapped and drugged" by black people, she hires Peter Sanderson as her sole tax attorney.

I'm honestly hoping your post was meant to spur debate and not a truly held belief...otherwise it appears to me that you are the gullible American brain-washed fool.

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Film studies :), has got to be the biggest mickey mouse course of all time (well, perhaps second to David Beckham studies). Go do a real degree.

To me you sound like a brain-washed fool.

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