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Why was anyone friends with Betty??


She was so cruel!!! I never understood why kind people like Joan and Connie liked her.


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She's like a lot of girls, to be honest, and people do remain friends with them.

I don't know perhaps they just tolerate it because they know there is good inside a person, even though they may not show it that often. And she does improve at the end of the film so I think it was the pressure of marriage and conformity that made her act the way she did, she took her frustration out on Connie especially because she was jealous of her freedom and happiness.

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I believe they were friends because she's popular and influencial. She's basically in the same room with them and just tolerates her for being mean.

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'She was caustic and condemning the entire film and in the last five minutes she's changed into this heartbroken student crying over losing her favourite teacher.'

I thought that too. I wondered why the film didn't show even 1 shot of Betty sitting on her bed alone thinking, or going off to the woods or a beach somewhere (like they always do in films when faced with a major crisis). This would at least imply Betty was thinking over her situation, and would help explain her about-face more clearly.


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It wasn't your average movie where everything was like that. She KNEW what to do, she knew her husband was cheating on her, obviously, she must have laid on her bed in nights and thought about what she wanted to do. That is why, she knew perfectly well WHAT she wanted- by the end of the movie.

As for her bienh so harsh... Maybe she wasn't usually like that. Maybe the girls knew her for a long long time and they knew her quite well.

And, ask yourself, do you usually leave people who speak bitter things alone ?

No, I don't think so.

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Well, she did ponder over the Mona Lisa. She wanted to know why she was really smiling. I think that gave us some insight that she was questioning her life and it's purpose.

She was a witch though, but it seems like some of the most popular girls are the witchiest ones!!!

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no it doesnt. that makes no sense. why would someone well liked be witchy? then she wouldnt be liked.

"I do pretend I am a princess, so that I can try and behave like one."

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And, ask yourself, do you usually leave people who speak bitter things alone ?[

Um, yes I certainly do. Who needs bitter, nasty, cruel people in their life? I used to think it was my job to *help fix* troubled people completely but its not.

If someone wants to talk, that's fine but I avoid emotional vampires now.



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Bitter, nasty and cruel people are the people who need love the MOST in their life. Have you ever realized that? Anyway, that's your personal choice but I still do believe that Betty was generally a sweet person but the pressure of living up to her mother's expectations and having a husband cheat on you, KNOW about and not be able to do anything about embittered and frustrated her.

Betty wasn't a bad person, you know.

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Of course I've realized that. I've also realized that a lot of cruel, nasty people are that way because they want to be! Because they are just that: nasty, horrible people.
Ted Bundy was a serial killer and was a nasty and cruel person: Would you want to volunteer to love him??
He had people that loved him, look what turned out there!

Betty wasn't ultimately a bad person, but she was rude and crude...and UNLIKE most crude people she actually came to realize she needed to change.
But lots don't.

And lots are that way by their own choice, and best left alone.


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I know I should feel bad for people with your attitude but I'm afraid I'm not that good yet at it. your attitude towards people with problems is an ugly and coldhearted one and really, you're no better than they are. They do need love the most, even if they also need to be told what they do is wrong. treating unhappy people with more unhappiness... yeah, that's a good way to make them nicer.

and you know, you sure dont sound very pleasant yourself now... so I guess that means we should ignore your existence and let you rot in loneliness, right?

also, your logic is terrible: because a demented killer might have had someone love him (you assume, anyway) that is the caue of his insanity?? do you hear yourself?

"I do pretend I am a princess, so that I can try and behave like one."

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I don't know where you're getting your ideas from, but its not from my posts.
When did I say that someone loving Ted Bundy was the cause of his insanity???!
I was replying to you where you were saying that all 'troubled' people need love. Ted Bundy had love from many people, and he still was evil. That's my point.
Some people are loved & cared for plenty, and they are still cruel, vicious people. And why? BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BE. All humans have free will.
Some choose to be kind, some choose to be cruel.

You can love and be kind to some people until the sun comes up, and it won't make any difference.They'll still be nasty, because they choose to be. That's a real shame, but it happens.


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I think the film did a good job of showing Betty's struggle. When we see her and her husband with Joan and Tommy, Betty seems to be a second thought to her husband. He chastises her in front of their friends, leaves her with a peck on the forehead as he goes to NY. It's obvious in that scene that she is not as happy as she should be. Then throughout the film we see her marriage unravel. We see her douchebag mother turn her away. I personally was very touched by the scene when she breaks down and cries with the girl's about her cheating husband. So by the end of the film, I was not at all surprised that Betty changed into the independent woman she was.

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She was harsh, bitter, brittle, snobbish. Hmmmm, I wonder how she got like that? (Heh, heh.)

Honestly, try having a mother like hers and see how well you turn out!

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Leaving a cheater doesnt make you an independant woman if a guy left his cheating wife he'd be coldhearted for it. Geez.

"I do pretend I am a princess, so that I can try and behave like one."

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Why would anyone think a husband leaving his cheating wife was coldhearted??

If a man left his warm, loving faithful wife & kids without a word or a cent then yes he'd be coldhearted.
But not for cheating.


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Not just her marriage... You can tell she's been emotionally abused for years and trained to be a "lady" since she was a kid by her mother her whole life in the scene where the mother drags her out and gives her a lecture about the poem.

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My belief, based on the fact I'm friends with someone like this and I wonder all the time why I'm friends with her, is that Betty is the kind of girl who can make you feel on top of the world one moment but then her insecurities take hold and she has to take it out on her friends to make herself feel powerful. Just like Betty, my own friend has a lot of friends and everyone likes her, but she hurts people very easily. It's like the scene in which she tells Connie that Charlie is with Deb - "I'm only saying this because I love you" - when you're friends with someone like that your better instincts tell not to turn to that person for the truth, but you believe them anyway. It's something in the way they say it. You just can't help it. :/

It's not because she's a malicious person, she's not doing it consciously and I think Giselle recognizes this, such as during Betty's breakdown when she starts screaming Giselle and then starts sobbing and falls into her arms. Giselle knows Betty just says these things to mask her own fears, hurt, and insecurities.

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I hate Betty! I am surprise the group of friends even like her at all. At the end, I wasn't satisfied with Betty with the whole supposed redeeming herself and everything. I thought the movie didn't really portray the changes in her well at all.

I am a "slam-door" type of person.. infj so I don't have friends like Betty at all. I don't understand why people would tolerate people like her. I want to have positive energies when I am with friends, not someone like Betty!

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There are some good answers here, but here are my thoughts:

I think the biggest reason is that they all lived in dorms and shared rooms with each other. Wasn't Joan, Betty's roommate? That explains everything. All the girls would hang out in each other's rooms, and Betty was just...there. That makes the most sense.

Not to mention Betty was the straight A student who wrote in a paper and did all the "little miss perfect" things.

And lastly...this movie is about Julia Roberts opening up the student's minds and giving them strength. In the beginning, they all knew Betty was cranky, but they just kinda tolerated it because her ways of thinking were the norm of the school.

As the movie progressed, ideas became challenged...Betty began to see how close minded and unhappy she really was. Even she began to revolt against her mom and her marriage.

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i saw her as a product of her mother's manipulative and snobby leanings. but she did need a little more development for her to be a well rounded person. i think people were friends with her because she was popular and maybe on a superficial level, could get on with her on the light topics

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She's that friend many people have that they dont particulary like. They have their redeeming qualities but they often remind you why you keep them at arms length. Betty was pretty, rich, and had personality. It's obvious why she had friends, it's just that her friends didnt really like her much.

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