How does this have so high score? - Firefly (2002) Discussion

[–] poem 8 years ago

I mean no matter what genre it's extremely strong, the dialogue between characters is *beep* crazy awesome, and everybody is insanely good, as if born for this part.

Fixed it for ya.

Seriously, if you say red is green, I can only shrug and tell you you're wrong.

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[–] liquidlicker 8 years ago

Well, if you're such a joker, then try to be original, other than spewing this "fixed for ya" that seems to be rather popular trololoo here in imdb.

But i guess the core of my problem lies with Nathan Fillion. He's always been a very weak actor in my opinion. Doesn't have the looks, voice, nor multi-faceted character for different roles. For me he's as boring actor as Peter Krause. Completely invisible.

PS. By looks i mean that if the actor/actress doesn't have any quality attributes, then an interesting looks is something that could pardon the bad acting. Vin Diesel, for example - he just oozes with this charismatic aura, but his acting is very low in my opinion.

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[–] liquidlicker 8 years ago

LoL they didn't even teach the actors basic fighting skills here. The fight scenes are the biggest joke. In the alleged punch moment or some fast move, the camera always turns away, so that you can't see the move. Usually a trick when the actors weren't trained basic simple moves and grasps.

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[–] PreachCaleb 8 years ago

Gotta disagree. It's good sci-fi. It even avoids the space is noisy trope that befalls so many sci-fi shows and movies.

I love the dialogue. It's funny, clever, and unique in blending chinese with english. Nathan Fillion is a gem in this. He's got great warmth when he's with his crew but an aura of darkness when he's pissed.

Seize the moment, 'cause tomorrow you might be dead.

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[–] liquidlicker 8 years ago

Watched episode 4. The alleged Reaver-toxicized ship member. What is this joke? And this is how they try to scare the viewers with this big and ugly Reaver brutality? ROFL.

This show is a joke.

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[–] PreachCaleb 8 years ago

Ooh, not at all. That's quite a creepy episode. The audience gets their first real look at a Reaver. Very intense and gruesome.

The interrogation of the crew is one of the funnier moments in the series. A great episode.

Seize the moment, 'cause tomorrow you might be dead.

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[–] liquidlicker 8 years ago

Watching this show gives me the vibe as like i'm watching Starship Troopers 2, while thinking how good the first movie was, and what kinda joke low-budget one the second one is.

...With the difference we don't have any prologue to this (that was very good), and instead of a movie it's a TV show.

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[–] PreachCaleb 8 years ago

Actually, the original airings did have prologue. Just a quick recap about how we found a new system and planets to colonize.

And yes, very good. This is a tv show and not a movie. But there actually is a movie as well. Gotta love the 'verse.

Seize the moment, 'cause tomorrow you might be dead.

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[–] liquidlicker 8 years ago

All the 720/1080p complete packages on the internet have this episode included. Originally it was supposed to be aired lastly (i think), because Fox didn't like the quality of it, so it was scrapped as an intro. And, yes, it's as bad as other episodes so far. :)

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[–] PreachCaleb 8 years ago

No, no. I meant a literal prologue before the episodes.

But if you're confused about the show/movie titles, Serenity (2002) pt 1 and 2 is the pilot to the show. Serenity (2005) is the feature length movie which was shown in theaters.

Either way, both are fantastic. Good action, heart warming stories and fun characters. Definite high points for the franchise.

Seize the moment, 'cause tomorrow you might be dead.

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[–] liquidlicker 8 years ago

Okay, i misread. But Serenity pr1 and 2 were scrapped by Fox Entertainment. They didn't like the production quality, so they were originally aired last back in 2002. I know about the movie, will watch it after the show. I'm not putting much hope into it. Again, the Captain is better suited for a high school teacher. :)

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[–] PreachCaleb 8 years ago

Post-poned, but not scrapped. They still aired both parts. It wasn't the production quality they didn't like. In fact, Fox has never had anything negative to say about Firefly's production quality. It was actually quite high.

What Fox wanted was something with more action. Hence The Train Job. A classic western trope.

Nathan Fillion would make a great high school teacher. He'd bring the same charm as he does in Firefly.

Seize the moment, 'cause tomorrow you might be dead.

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[–] liquidlicker 8 years ago

Charm is a nice term to describe leftist betamales. :) But charming guy wouldn't make a charismatic and commanding Captain. Let's be honest here now.

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[–] PreachCaleb 8 years ago

Charm is only part of Mal's character. We see his commanding presence. We see how charismatic he can be. All laid out in various scenes across the series.

Guy makes for a great captain. Leads, but also knows when to command. Fillion perfectly captured that in his performance.

And charming of course already implies innate charisma.

Seize the moment, 'cause tomorrow you might be dead.

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[–] liquidlicker 8 years ago

Come on, man. The scene in episode 5 where Simon protects his sister from burning on the pole is ridiculous acting. The dialogue, the mimics between them two. It's RIDICULOUS. Straight on bad acting.

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[–] PreachCaleb 8 years ago

That's a great scene. "Big damn heroes, sir." That became a rallying cry for the Browncoats. Heck, Serenity was unofficially known as The Big Damn Movie.

And Safe has one of my favorite moments: River's dance. One of the few times we actually get to see the poor girl without the burden of the trauma inflicted on her.

Seize the moment, 'cause tomorrow you might be dead.

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[–] liquidlicker 8 years ago

Oh, i already forgot. The way River is expressing her pain is also crappy acting. In my opinion, of course. I've never cared much for Summer Glau, but i do seem to remember seeing her in other roles doing a much better job. Which ones, i can't recall unfortunately. But true, Firefly was made back in 2002 and she was very young back then.

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[–] PreachCaleb 8 years ago

I like her acting. Very broken. She was only seventeen when she was tortured. Glau did a good job of capturing that lost innocence.

Seize the moment, 'cause tomorrow you might be dead.

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[–] Ajones47 8 years ago

PreachCaleb, can I just say: you are a wonderful human being, and my personal hero for today? Licker's critique is rather hollow and vacuous, and at several times that critique included choices of language that seemed almost intentionally chosen to rile up a strong response, yet you treated said critique with respect, you kept hitting the positives, and you didn't stoop to attacking the critic. You've done good work here.

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[–] PreachCaleb 8 years ago

Thanks, guys.

I'm just such a big fan of Firefly, I can always focus on the positives. It's just so much more preferable. Every critique, reminds me of something I love about it.

Seize the moment, 'cause tomorrow you might be dead.

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[–] liquidlicker 8 years ago

Hence why your replies can't be taken overly seriously. You're blinded by your "fanboyism". :) Luckily i am no fan of any TV show out there, just enjoy for what they are (which the Firefly isn't).

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[–] PreachCaleb 8 years ago

That's all right. It's my pleasure to discuss what I love about Firefly. After 15 years, it's still as enjoyable as ever. I rewatch it once or twice every year.

Seize the moment, 'cause tomorrow you might be dead.

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[–] NVDan 8 years ago

Watching this show gives me the vibe as like i'm watching Starship Troopers 2, while thinking how good the first movie was, and what kinda joke low-budget one the second one is.

A movie about humans fighting giant bugs that are throwing rocks at Earth across the light years of interstellar space is what you consider a good science fiction movie?
That certainly explains a lot.

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[–] Beren44 8 years ago

After reading this whole thread, I truly feel sorry for you that you cannot see the magic that is 'Firefly'. It seems that you are looking for something that the show was never intended to be. It is a light-hearted*, insightful, and delightful look into a possible future.

The dialogue is maybe the most quotable show I have ever seen, simply brilliant writing and execution.

*not so light-hearted when you get to the Ariel episode. A bit of darkness sets in, and stays there through the end of the series, and in the movie as well. The character development is so good.

That being said, your responses have been polite and seem to come from your heart. Not everything is for everyone. Sincerely hope you will give it a chance, and finish the whole thing out, including the movie Serenity. Maybe by then you will understand why SO many people love the show.

~Oh, I'm well aware it's not a picnic, Mr. Save the Day~ (Fitz, Agents of Shield)

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[–] Beren44 8 years ago

and P.S. it makes all the difference to watch it in the episode order intended, not as FOX aired it. Dumb bastards.

~Oh, I'm well aware it's not a picnic, Mr. Save the Day~ (Fitz, Agents of Shield)

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[–] poem 8 years ago

I could do the exact same as I did over at the BtVS boards and pick a random episode of this show and still extract a good number of quoteable lines from it.

Thats why its awesome dialogue quality.

Thats not something you can do with many shows.

Heck theres shows like The Vampire Diaries in which I cannot think of a single instance of actually funny dialogue. TVD just takes itself waaaay to serious all the time.

And unlike with BtVS, I dont even have a chance to pick an episode thats actually a bit dull. Well maybe the pilot is a bit, I dont know.

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[–] SkynetWhistleblower 8 years ago

Ajones47, I was thinking the same thing. Preachcaleb was positive and respectful even though it's obvious that something he loves is being denigrated. This is how grown up people disagree! Thanks for the good example.

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[–] DaytonaBob 8 years ago

If you don't get it...you never will.

They who give up liberty to
obtain a temporary safety deserve
neither liberty or safety

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[–] Boodle 8 years ago

Based upon your other posts, it must be really bad to dislike every movie / show that you watch. Why do you even bother to watch any if your going to dislike them?

Oh! I know. You're a troll.

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[–] liquidlicker 8 years ago

You should focus on the topic in question. Going through someone's post history won't get you to closer to anything:P

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[–] NVDan 8 years ago

Going through someone's post history won't get you to closer to anything:P

I didn't have to go through your post history to know you were a troll. Everyone grasps that people have different opinions. Only trolls pretend they don't just so they can stir people up.

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[–] liquidlicker 8 years ago

I call it just ad hominem at this point. Calling someone a "troll" without giving any evidence. That's very professional of you=)

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[–] NVDan 8 years ago

Calling someone a "troll" without giving any evidence. That's very professional of you=)

"Everyone grasps that people have different opinions. Only trolls pretend they don't just so they can stir people up."

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[–] liquidlicker 8 years ago

Your point being? I'm sure it's not something BigDDD wanted to accomplish, but ended up sending his picture to some third party man for some weird reason:D I hope we don't end up here arguing to the point of you wanting to send a picture of yourself.

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[–] NVDan 8 years ago

Your point being?

The point is that not only are you a troll, you're not very good at it.

I hope we don't end up here arguing...

There's nothing here to argue about.

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[–] liquidlicker 8 years ago

"Okay" Mr. Ad Hominem:) No argumentation given. Case closed. Troll=you.

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[–] NVDan 8 years ago

No argumentation given.

I don't need to augment the self evident.

Troll=you.

How sad. You've been reduced to using the playground taunt, "I know you are but what am I."

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[–] Kyumonryu 8 years ago

love how you try to come off like a guy with a superior taste but end up sounding like a salty teenage girl.

Your argument is weak and only based on your subjective opinion. You don´t have any real arguments, just insults and boring "jokes".

So what is really good sci-fi in your eyes?

...but they hung him anyway.
Hanged, Ami. Your father was not a tapestry.

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[–] liquidlicker 8 years ago

Don't worry about my teenage girl saltiness. It's in balance. :)

A good sci-fi TV show? Battlestar Galactica. Has much more refined polishing. Story is engaging, actors do a good job in relating to each other. That's one of my main concerns with Firefly that the actors do a very rookie-like job. I'm not sure whether it's intentional to give this loose and often "over-forced" interplay between them, but doesn't work out.

I get that Firefly is that type of sci-fi that fancied a big fan club. It just is the type of show, but to me it's still crap. Emotionless. Detail-less.

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