MovieChat Forums > Les diables (2002) Discussion > Brother and Sister hooking up...Whats go...

Brother and Sister hooking up...Whats going on?????!!!!

posted 18 years ago by sweet_river
35 replies | jump to latest

I dunno… I had just seen this film in Australia on a multicultural channel(SBS)- I was surprised what these two kids were doing together. Very SHOCKED! I only just flicked the channel when it was half through, and I saw these two children in the pool…think they were touching each other or making out or something(or even both). This was a while back, so I can’t exactly remember. Except that I couldn’t believe what I was watching. I then witnessed the scene where the two children were lying on a hill (or some place lying in grass) feeling one up and kissing and showing a bit of 12 year old nudity. (don’t bash me If Im slightly wrong, 'cause I know it fair does sound ridiculous)

I don’t understand- wouldn't the filmmakers be charged for the amount of child sexual references. Now, Im just wondering how old were these children when they were shooting this. I'm just shocked for the fact that the children were only supposes to be around 12 years old! Still, even for the fact their characters probably weren’t suppose to be related.

But honestly, were they REALLY brothers and sister? I read on another thread they weren't really. But did they know that while they were showing their loving/sexual affection towards each other? Please don’t bash me if you’re a fan and half of what Im saying just sounds like I was half asleep while watching this movie.

But really, does this film deserve all the credit it seems to be getting? All I want is answers- it would be most appreciated. Thanks to those who reply to them. Cheers ;)

[–] sol- 18 years ago

* * possible spoilers * *

I also watched this film after recording it off SBS. As far as I can tell, the film was designed to shock us as viewers, however what I find more shocking than the nudity or the allusions to incest is the lack of responsibility that the two children feel in the world. They crash cars at a petrol station, cause a major traffic crash on a freeway, set light to a house, they steal money, they invade the homes of others, they trash a hospital, they hold a woman at gun point --- and all this is shown in graphic detail. The filmmakers force us to see all the damage that they cause (such as the cars turning over and window glass breaking) and then they juxtapose these shots to shots of the boy and girl just carrying on without a care in the world. The film portrays alienated youth, arguably the typical youth of today, who only care about themselves in the world and feel that the world is against them.

I think of nudity just like any other vulgarity, whether it be violence, foul language or drug use. It is justified as long as it serves a purpose in the film and as long as it is not excessive. While I admit that I have my doubts as to whether or not the nudity in the film was excessive, it certainly serves a purpose. The film is essentially a coming-of-age story, set at time at which the children are starting to mature sexually. The nudity when they are bathing together sets up intensity, and plays around with our expectations. Indeed something happens, and the boy reacts negatively towards this. He is afraid of what he feels when she touches him, and he is not quite sure of what it is. There is a bit of a play on whether or not it is incest. His mother had told him earlier on that she actually is not his sister, and he ran away, refusing to believe this. Yet, as he carries on his journey he starts to question this himself. In the scene set in the grass with the girl's shirt open, he is contemplating whether or not she is his sister, especially since he feels attracted to her. The film makes it clear that they take it no further together, but that would have been interesting to explore - since he feels no rensponsibility for the crimes he commits in the world, would it actually matter to him if it were incest?

As for your final question, "does this film deserve all the credit it is getting?" - I am unsure about that. The glowing reviews seem a bit overboard, however I think most of the negatives I hold against the film are due to the assault it had on me as a viewer. If nothing else, it is an interesting study of loyalty and alienated youth in the modern world, and a powerful film that you cannot walk away from without having felt something.

A man can change the whole world with a bullet in the right place.

[–] sweet_river 18 years ago

lol. Thanks heaps sol-. Your reply is most appreciatted. ; )

[–] EdWoodGirl 18 years ago

Just to let you know they werent brother and sister. When the mother comes to pick them up from the home she says she cant take cloe because she is not hers. Unable to deal with this he insists that they still are and that she is a liar... not brother and sister

[–] sweet_river 18 years ago

Yes, I understood that fact a long while back.

[–] EdWoodGirl 18 years ago

well your question was a bit stupid so i though i better spell it out for you

[–] sweet_river 18 years ago

Sweaty, take note of my quotes before showing indication of wanting an argument-
for no debatable reason.
'I only just flicked the channel when it was half through..' ‘This was a while back, so I can’t exactly remember’ 'I read on another thread they weren't really. But did they know that while they were showing their loving/sexual affection towards each other?'

The fact that it was more of a ‘curious’ question- spelling it out after I had been knowledgeable of the answer, for what, about 4 months now...it was obvious there was no need! *rolls eyes*
But being a bored little troll, there’s always that excuse. I suggest the Paris Hilton Boards.

[–] EdWoodGirl 18 years ago

Was that sweaty or sweety? Because i assure you I am well showered.

I suggest the Paris Hilton Boards.

This coming from someone who posts on the JoJo boards...

The reason for my nasty reply was a result your post... I was genuinly trying to help you to understand the film but am then told my post was not nessesary. WHy do that... just let it lie. Maybe someone else who reads the post might find it helpful.

If your question had been answered 4 months ago whay check the board again???

I apologise for you being a complete tool.

[–] sweet_river 18 years ago

'I apologise for you being a complete tool.'
You make no sense, but then nice try for the quick-witted 'humour'. lol! >>>'Was that sweaty or sweety? Because i assure you I am well showered.' 'Sorry' for a simple spelling mistake... phht!
Dear, youre too ahead of yourself! I have a right to go on any discussion boards(but not to crave arguments) and check through my history of past posts- but not to be a defensive & conceited “tool”.
'I was genuinly trying to help you to understand the film but am then told my post was not necessary.'Ahem. Didnt I already say I got the facts. Seems things get past you, only. I didn’t need an extra adviser who rather puts things in an unintellectual stereotypical view.

[–] EdWoodGirl 18 years ago

hahaha

oh dear

there is no such word as Unintellectual

it is non-intellectual

that is just too funny

God Died Laughing

[–] sweet_river 18 years ago

I despise you even more! lol! Dear, technically it is a word. look it up http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?r=20&q=%20unintellectual

"God Died Laughing"
You make absolutely no sense once again! But... nice...try...pht! I suggest dear that you just give it a rest.

Anyway, no need to reply, im over it! Youre obviously just easily amused and opinionated, cause this is going no where.

[–] EdWoodGirl 18 years ago

"God Died laughing" is my signature and does not relate to you at all....

If you are over it why do you keep checking for my response?

God Died Laughing

[–] EdWoodGirl 18 years ago

Also just for clarity in what way was my description of the film "stereotypical"?

God Died Laughing

[–] breakthemadness 16 years ago

> In the scene set in the grass with the girl's shirt open, he is contemplating
>whether or not she is his sister, especially since he feels attracted to her.

Interesting thing I noticed about that scene...

After he opens her shirts, he notices she has a mole on her chest. He pauses, and looks at his own chest and notices he also has a mole in almost the exact same spot. I wondering if maybe that was making him rethink whether or not they were brother and sister because (IIRC) at this point he'd been told by his mom that they weren't siblings, so maybe it'd be okay to do stuff with her, but then seeing this, that made him pause.

At least that's my interpretation of it.

This may sound crazy but the scene kind of reminded me of a scene from the HBO comedy series Dream On where the main character (Martin) is in the midst of getting it on with his adult cousin. They're taking off their clothes when suddenly Martin notices they have the same shape in their feet. They compare feet a bit and this hammers it home that they are related, and they decide it just wouldn't be right to have sex, so instead they play Monopoly (or some such.)

Weird what the mind remembers...

"Be afraid, be very afraid."

[–] 16 years ago

[deleted]

[–] haileybaron 10 years ago

"I think of nudity just like any other vulgarity"

I think it's very interesting that you think nudity is a VULGARITY

[–] 10 years ago

[deleted]

[–] Kevinology_Rises 10 years ago

I know Europe is more tolerant towards nudity, under age nudity in films, but this movie surprised me.

If it's possible to be "surprised" by a movie you looked up in advance and watched purely because of the child nude scenes...

Valar morghulis

[–] 10 years ago

[deleted]

[–] Kevinology_Rises 10 years ago

Another paedophile, I expect. Like I said, you're not unique, there are others and this guy probably recommended it to you for the nudity. I'm right, and you know I am.

Valar morghulis

[–] RockaDee_Requited 10 years ago

The Sega continues....-

"Tree's don't all grow straight, they grow however makes them happy"-Bob Ross

[–] Kevinology_Rises 10 years ago

I think you mean the saga continues, love. Sega's a video game developer...

Valar morghulis

[–] RockaDee_Requited 10 years ago

Whatever, it continues.

"Tree's don't all grow straight, they grow however makes them happy"-Bob Ross

[–] 10 years ago

[deleted]

[–] Kevinology_Rises 10 years ago

Nope, someone else told me about this film in a private message, not someone who has posted in this thread.

I never specified anyone who posted in this thread, I said another paedophile, which evidently it was.

Nudity.. well, thats not hurting our eyes, to be honest. But his emphasis was more on how incredibly beautiful the girl is and how good and touching the story was.

The only touching involved was probably you touching yourself, and let's be honest, even if the story wasn't allegedly good, you'd pick it up anyway purely because of the child nudity. We both know you would.

Valar morghulis

[–] 10 years ago

[deleted]

[–] Kevinology_Rises 10 years ago

She was 13 when the movie was released, could've easily been 11 or 12 while filming it. She's also playing an autistic mute girl, I find it interesting that you'd still be sexually attracted to not only a child character, but a mentally disabled child character. I guess the more disabled they are, the less capable they are of consent, the better the fantasy, right?

Valar morghulis

[–] 10 years ago

[deleted]

[–] Kevinology_Rises 10 years ago

Considering the size of her breasts, she was well into puberty, so no pedo-crap here, please.

Uh, I'll take your word for that...

She was cute.
And her disabilities didn't make her any less attractive.

In fact they made her more attractive, especially since she's apparently mute, wouldn't even be able to voice any objection to you molesting her. Ideal victim really, not just a child but also mentally disabled and unable to speak, no wonder you're infatuated with the character.

According to you people with autism can't be attractive or loved by others.

You mean according to you, I never said this at any point.

And did you just say that there are levels in how capable one can be at giving consent??? I thought the law stated you were either NOT capable or fully capable.
A little bit capable doesn't exist. But you believe it's possible? So a 12 year old who is not mentally disabled is more capable of giving consent than a 12 year old who has a disability?

Interesting, Kevin. Very interesting.

Well there are levels of understanding, so yes, by implication there would be levels of consent. The law can't operate under this approach however because they're forced to draw clear lines, which is where the age of consent comes in. It wouldn't matter in America if someone was capable of consent by the time they reach 16, 18 is the age of consent in some states no matter what. A mentally ill child is even less capable of remotely understanding what sex is than a child who is mentally sound, although both would have difficulty - this is what I was alluding to.

Valar morghulis

[–] 10 years ago

[deleted]

[–] Kevinology_Rises 10 years ago

You sound like hearing about her breasts disgusts you.
It's just breasts, Kevin. Breasts sprouting on the beautiful developing body of a girl.

Breasts don't disgust me at all, I'm just not interested in perving on a naked 12 year-old in order to confirm your statement.

Tsss, no. Non-verbal resistance also exists.

Would that matter to someone like you? I'm sure you'd just groom the girl into allowing you to touch her, without really understanding what it is you're doing.

But this is not what it is about for me.
Her autism makes me want to take care of her, protect her and guide her like her brother does in the movie.

You've said the same crap about other children in other movies before, we all know what your idea of "protecting" is. I'm sure you do have classic rescue fantasies, but much like heterosexuals with damsels in distress, your rescue fantasies about children probably end up in the same place.

Okay, I was assuming that is what you meant. You seemed appalled when you discovered this character I fancy happens to be an autistic girl and mentioned that as an element that made it worse, in some way. See what I mean? No. Guess not.

At no point did I say that autistic people cannot be found attractive, or cannot be loved by anyone, I merely find it interesting that you specifically fancy someone with even less capability to consent than a mentally stable child.

Can you really exclude the possibility for an under aged child to be into having some form of sexual contact and capable of consenting to that?

I don't exclude the possibility, but the younger the child, the lower it becomes and since there is no way of knowing for certain, it would never be worth pursuing given the risk of psychological damage.

Valar morghulis

[–] 10 years ago

[deleted]

[–] Kevinology_Rises 10 years ago

You still believe I'm up to no good, huh?
How many times must I tell you I'm not looking for sex with children?
I'm not looking for any contact with children.
I do admit I would be the happiest guy if I was able to just hug them or play with them, make them laugh, give them a push when they are on a swing, those kind of things.
You think I only love them with what's between my legs.
You are wrong, I love them with my HEART!

I already said I don't believe your attraction to children is 100% sexual, but you have to admit you wouldn't feel the same desire to hug and play with a child who was what you considered ugly. Would you be as eager to push a child on a swing and spend time with them if they were fat? What if it was a fat little boy? You'd have no interest, because it's their appearance which comes first, then the other nonsexual aspects of your attraction follow.

Pfff. If you think I fantasize about saving a child, so I can end up in bed with her, you aren't giving me much credit. It shows that after so many years and so many sentences we typed together for each other, you still don't know what really goes on in my head. You'd make a terrible psychiatrist.

Then what happens in your fantasies after saving the child? Something tells me you don't return her to her parents and walk away.

But being capable or not doesn't play a role for me. I'm not after sex. What matters here is the element of the girl being in need of someone to protect and guide her. I would enjoy being her guide, her protecting wingman. To take care of someone is what draws me in here.

Then why aren't you interested in protecting this child character's brother as well? Suppose he was the autistic one, and not what you consider physically attractive?

I'm very empathic. Heck, I can't even throw away my stuffed animals because it'd make me feel bad.

How can you have empathy for stuffed animals? They're dead.

Valar morghulis

[–] haileybaron 10 years ago

Wow kevin, you are totally obsessed with this film and pedophiles.
At any point did you read through this thread and all your posts and wonder how this makes YOU look? Seriously, it seems like you're either a complete lunatic or a repressed, self-hating pedo
If I were you I'd delete all this
Honestly, you look bad dude

[–] Kevinology_Rises 10 years ago

Wow kevin, you are totally obsessed with this film and pedophiles.

I've never even seen this film...

At any point did you read through this thread and all your posts and wonder how this makes YOU look?

No, I was more concerned with the actual paedophile I was typing to. It would help if he hadn't deleted his own account so you could read his posts, in which he glorified his sexual attraction to children, but evidently you can only see my profile and not his so you only have one side of the argument. Yet you still made a judgment.

Seriously, it seems like you're either a complete lunatic or a repressed, self-hating pedo.

Because I'm attacking another paedophile, that somehow means I must secretly be one?

If I were you I'd delete all this. Honestly, you look bad dude.

Fortunately for me, you're not me.

Valar morghulis

[–] przgzr 9 years ago

I've never even seen this film...

Well this really makes you qualified to lead such long discussions about it.

It is interesting how often people who take moral crusade against certain movies, may it be for sex, religion, politics have never even tried to watch it. Why should they after all? They are so superior that they know all the questions and all the answers already, placing themselves above God.