She was fine and dandy with Mcakie's methods when they yielded results or at least never got in her way, but she was absolutely insane with anger when he confessed everything during his amnesty deal with the Bureau.
I would call her more self-serving and pragmatic and only a little bit hypocritical, after all, she never knew exactly all of what Mackie had done.
Props to Dutch for calling him out from Day 1.
I think she realized eventually what Vic was doing was wrong beyond bending a few rules, and he was going too far.
It's not really hypocrisy to change your mind about something especially since she never went back to thinking Vic's methods were ok as long as they yielded results.
The only way she'd really be a hypocrite is if she only had problems with Vic's methods when they got in her way throughout the entire series.
Can't stop the signal.
I get what you mean about changing your mind not necessarily meaning you 're doing it to be self-serving.
What was the turning point for Claudette? It's been a long time since I've watched the series but I seem to remember she was decidedly against him after an incident when Shane and Lem organised a prisoner stabbing for a guy who was part of a case of hers and had info on Mackie's dirty dealings.
It really started when Mackey's antics started interfering with her cases. I think that's when she started to realize Mackey's not merely bending the rules to catch criminals, there are some he's actually protecting for his own self interests.
The stabbing would certainly have been a tipping point.
Can't stop the signal.
It really started when Mackey's antics started interfering with her cases.
I can see how that can be seen as hypocritical. And part of it probably is.
But at the same time, that's when she started noticing Vic was actively protecting criminals.
Can't stop the signal.
But at the same time, that's when she started noticing Vic was actively protecting criminals.
Let me see if I can clear things up here. Vic was on the Strike Team...and was for all intents and purposes the cop equivalent of a "rock star" with a stellar arrest record and the respect and admiration of rank and file officers and management alike.....Claudette was a simple homicide detective (although Aceveda did call her his "best" detective at some point)...Tio (newly installed drug Kingpin and backed by Mackie) was murdered and the case was given to Claudette to investigate....Mackie (looking to cover his ass) tried to horn in on the action saying as the murder was gang related and therefore a Strike Team investigation...Aceveda was on the verge and handing the investigation over to Mackie before Claudette strongly objected to being thrown off the case, and she reasoned she doesn't mess with Strike Team cases, they shouldn't mess with hers...Aceveda put both of them to work the case together and sure enough Mackie was sabotaging the case as soon as he could...I don't really see the hypocrisy
shareKeep in mind Claudette was mentally and physically ill at this time.
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I see nothing hypocritical in Claudette's words or actions quite frankly. From the get-go she said did not judge other cops when speaking with Aceveda (whom it could be said was trying to tacitly get her support to get rid of Vic). She said Vic, like Al Capone gave people what they wanted....which was criminals off the streets (even if his methods were questionable). And that was totally in keeping with the cop code of "Omerta" if you like, which allowed Vic to run wild for as long as he did.
I don't recall her being "fine and dandy" with his methods for at least a year either. As others have pointed out she only gets on Vic's case when he is actively undermining her investigations as a detective and during her stint as Captain.
I don't think she was a hypocrite. She had been on the job for decades, coming up in the pre-Rodney King days and had no doubt worked with alot of cops who were a bit rough and cut a few corners to lock up suspects. Not her style, but she knows it can be effective. I think that's how she saw Vic initially, as being a hard ass but not a criminal. When they partnered up in "Pay in Pain" she seems to genuinely like Vic, but knows she had to keep him on a leash. When Vic beats the confession out of the child rapist she knows it's wrong, but also knows that following the law will probably mean the girl would die, and I'd assume figured Vic only crossed the line because of the circumstances.
After Vic starts throwing roadblocks with T.O. though, she realizes that he's a flat out corrupt cop. Even though they're trying to catch a brutal murder and child rapist, Vic is more concerned with saving his ass. She also knew that Aceveda was helping with the cover-up for his own purposes, and knew she couldn't do anything about either one.
Like the OP said, she was a bit of a pragmatist. But hypocrite? No.
While I do think Claudette was hypocritical and self serving in general, I don't think she was in this case.
In season 7 the opportunity was only presenting itself again for the first time since season 2 for her. Through season 6 when Claudette first becomes captain one of the first things she tries to push is Mackey's retirement. Throughout the series after Claudette figures the general scope of Vic's crimes, she always rejects his methods when given the chance.
When she heard his confession, she finally got the full picture and realized Vic beat her which in sure was very upsetting.
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Early on everyone, including Claudette, thought that Vic was a mildy corrupt cop who would bend a few rules to catch criminals and protect his colleagues/team mates. She realizes it around season 2 that Vic is pretty much a criminal with badge and when she realizes that she could be captain and run the place her perspective changes a lot. She becomes more ambitious and responsible. So basically Vic revelation and change in her attitude towards the job happened simultaneously. So I wouldn't really call her hypocritical. She started out as a detective who was disconnected with the politics and didn't care about climbing the ladder. Her character evolves when her cases start getting *beep* over due to the corruption and politics.
shareShe's not a evil person but unlikeable. Being hypocrite was part of it. Jack from Lost was the same way with all his standing on a soap box and being preachy.
shareEveryone always seemed to despise Mackey's methods but they often came in quite handy. It's amazing how quickly people can learn to look the other way when they don't want to get their own hands dirty.
I think she evolved from that point to where she was by the end of the series I guess you could call it a bit hypocritical. She spells it out when she tears into Dutch for how he handled the pedophile in his neighborhood. It doesn't matter what your intentions are if you bend the rules it is going to put you on a path you won't be able to get off of.
shareYou all seem to have forgotten that it was Claudette's principles that saved Vic (a fact Shane admitted to) when Kavanaugh was about to send Vic down the river by way of planted evidence in his house.
shareMore like she was sparing the department a public relations nightmare and a multi million dollar lawsuit if they ever took it to court.
Kavanaugh's frame up job (his first) was full of holes, so many that Dutch could hardly keep track of them (guess whom would be the first person called by Vic's defence team to testify on this).
Any lawyer worth his title would be able to expose them, and thus not only acquit Mackey, but to launch a lawsuit with Megalodon sized teeth (unlike Billing's bogus lawsuit) that would bankrupt the department and get them all fired.
She was simply being smart about it, didn't do it out of love for fairness.
You CLEARLY don't watch the show, and only seeing what you want to see. The one who used to be worried about city payouts and bad PR was Aceveda (as he was a career politician after all)...Claudette on the other hand had already incurred the wrath of the D.A. (not to mention her fellow officers) by effecting the release of hundreds of convicts due to the fact that the defense attorneys was a functional junkie, and therefore had not received a fair trial, and that was long before she became Captain
We all know Claudette was desperate to get rid of Mackie but wanted to do it the right way...if she was a hypocrite she would have simply gone along with the frame up
"and that was long before she became Captain"
Aha, when her job wasn't to worry about department budget. But guess what: it is now.
Remember she didn't mind using Mackey in season 6 to make the San Marcos case by giving him false hopes of saving his job.
If she really didn't want him on the streets anymore she could have benched him anytime giving him a desk job (he is a detective), but she didn't (she benched Ronnie in season 7, so she has the power).
"if she was a hypocrite she would have simply gone along with the frame up"
Uh, remember the Guardo case? She didn't even dare actually accuse Mackey due to the Kavanaugh fiasco (her exact words: "we can't accuse Mackey of murder and be wrong, AGAIN!").
And there was nothing legal about her advocating for ICE to take away Mackey's family (he's not been convicted of anything nor even under investigation at that point, so that was straight up kidnapping, can't be legal), she did it out of spite and as a last spit she had.
So clearly YOU are seeing what you want to see...
You are quite clearly trolling.... the example I gave is a clear example of her sticking to her principles no matter what the personal cost or benefit, which by and large she stuck to whilst being a captain
As for "benching" him that is pure woulda coulda shoulda
As for Guardo..again you didn't answer my question..if she wanted Vic out the picture so bad she could've simply gone along with the frame up the show went to great lengths to show that as bad as she wanted to topple Vic she wanted to do it the right way
As for "advocating" for ICE...watch again it it was Corinne asking for protection fearing retribution from Vic (I leave it to you if he would have actually done anything....but at least one cop on the show had killed his ex-wife on the show) after Vic had gained immunity for all Strike Team shenaningans
"her sticking to her principles no matter what the personal cost or benefit"
More like her getting her self-righteousness get the better of her. You fail to remember that ALL characters here are gray, even her.
"if she wanted Vic out the picture so bad she could've simply gone along with the frame up"
Not if she wanted to keep her job, you just keep ignoring that obvious fact.
"watch again it it was Corinne asking for protection fearing retribution from Vic"
Quote the scene and dialogue, you're daydreaming. She NEVER asks for relocation.
And Claudette's exact words when convincing Olivia were "If you want to hurt him this is the way to do it". So it's straight out of her mouth.
The question is: Was Claudette a hypocrite i.e. a person who does not hold true to their principles and/or doing or saying what is convenient for one's own benefit. That is the very definition of a hypocrite...you keep on introducing conjecture into the picture. IF you are saying Claudette is self-righteous (i.e. morally superior) that is a completely different thing from being a hypocrite which I maintain she is not...so decide which it is. So in answer to your question if Claudette was the hypocrite you maintain she is then she could've simply gone along with Kavanaugh's frame-up as we all know she was DESPERATE to get rid of Vic and Kavanaugh's planted evidence (within the context of the show) was enough to put him away...the instant she caught a whiff of illegality she shut him down as one of Claudette's principles would. This was the sore point with Antwon if you recall who always maintained that Monica Rawlins knew he had been framed but she went along with the frame-up because she wanted him off the streets. So Monica did the wrong thing (at least according to Antwon) and still kept her job
As for Corinne, we can split hairs if you want to, maybe she didn't ask for relocation but she DID ask for protection from Vic, which Olivia was initially completely against citing the cost of such a procedure...Claudette says the local PD would be unable to provide protection for Corinne as Vic's local reach is too long...was Claudette supposed to just wait around until Vic tracked down Corrinne (I leave it to you whether he would have actually harmed her or not)...wher is the hypocrisy?