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Suicide is a lazy script device - discuss


According to my script tutor at University, suicide is a poor way to end a character's story arc and shows the writer of the script to be lazy and uninspired.

I don't necessarily agree with this - suicide is a powerful theme when handled and done right, but what she said came into my head when I witnessed Sonny blow himself away.

It seemed a bit stupid and forced.

Don't get me wrong - I enjoyed the film, but the suicide (and the 10 minute scene of Billy Bob doing some damage to Barry's beaver) seemed to me like the writer needed "more set-pieces" which I never felt were necessary.

Is suicide generally a lazy way to get rid of character's that no longer serve a function? YOU DECIDE!

I'm just a big ol' guinea pig

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I would ask your script tutor if he or she has written any Oscar worthy scripts. If they have, you might actually learn something.

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Seems a little harsh to call a plot point "lazy".

This film is actually a great character study, and yet gets trivialized just because Heath Ledger kills himself (how prophetic) and Billy Bob Thornton actually gets to play his real self (a stallion).

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Suicide happens every day. It's a reality, not a device.
Hollywood films give us escapism.
Independent films show us what we're escaping from.

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Careful. Careful. Your university tutor sounds like a pompous ass.

A SELLING script writer, William Goldman, says that, in Hollywood, no one knows anything.

For your tutor to make such a grandiloquent pronouncement places him, I think, in the know-it-all category--a dangerous place, apparently.

What should Sonny have done with his deep, all consuming agony? Written a novel? (Or screenplay?) Sent a note to his dad? Become a serial killer?
Started robbing banks? Stood and made a speech? Run away from home?

Every device but suicide is inadequate here: suicide is stark, irreversible and makes a bold statement about the horror the person wishes to escape from. It is selfish act that accepts no mitigation.

Decent, sensible people recoil from suicide. Those, like Kevorkian, who want to make it acceptable, are reviled by society, except for the few who also want to make suicide a more acceptable alternative.

Even grandpa, one of the worst characters in modern American literature, I think, didn't know how to deal with Sonny's suicide except to say that his grandson was weak.

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I think it's generalization to say that suicide is always a lazy way to end a character's arc. This film's script definitely had a lot of contrivances but sometimes that's not the important thing if you are able to let things go and just accept that whatever happens, happens.

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I don't see how you could call it lazy. It's not exactly done very often in TV and movies to the point that you could call it a predictable troupe.

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Your script tutor is a *beep*

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Maybe you should seek the advice of someone who knows something. People do commit suicide. Drama is meant to reflect life. How is writing a drama involving someone who commits suicide lazy?

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