im thinking..its only 1 cube..and time is the big factor here....every time they leave the cube..they end up in the same cube just in a different point in time.
butwhat was up with kate waking up in the water, giving that agent that thing, and then getting shot?
As a fan of the Cube series... I was totally and utterly disappointed about the ending. I think that the producers should of gave the fans a better ending. Kate got what she diserved, but they should've went more into detail.
O.K, just saw the movie and I think I understood what a hypercube is and how it works and I saw the ending just like some of you did,too. But what the heck was that thing Kate got in the end and if she had to get it from Sasha why didn´t she just ask her for it or talk with her about what she knew? She was blind and defenseless and they were all alone? Well, the whole idea for the movie is just great but there are more holes in the plot than in my grannies underwear. And no question the viewer has is answered.Maybe it´s my mistake I didn´t see the first cube movie before but this is just a piece of cr..!
Despite that extended ending, the ending still does not make sense, for numerous reasons:
1) a) If Kate's mission was to kill Sasha, it makes no sense that she didn't kill her, was shocked when she died, and in fact made a concerted effort specifically to PROTECT her from the spinning razor cube. You may argue that Kate didn't know Sasha was the uberhacker at that point, but if that's true, why was she not more frantically concerned with finding and learning more about the other characters, when she got separated from them, in order to complete her mission? I'm not sure I even buy that it's true, because it seemed from her actions at the end that she recognized the "device" around Sasha's neck immediately, and if part of her mission was to recover that device it should have been a dead giveaway that Sasha was the hacker.
1) b) It also doesn't make sense that if Kate was sent in to kill the hacker and/or recover the device, she wasn't given any instructions on how to navigate the hypercube, or any information on anyone else who had been placed in the hypercube (e.g., knowing about the violent sociopath might have helped).
2) a) It doesn't make sense that the uberhacker could have "given them a hypercube", and known where it was, and known what it was for, and yet be stupid enough to intentionally go inside of it and/or be stupid enough not to know how to get around safely or escape. (As the world's greatest hacker - and nothing else that we know of - she should have known that it had no internal controls, no hackable interfaces whatsoever.)
2) b) The movie tried to one-up its predecessor by giving the characters real reasons for being thrown into the cube, but almost none of them make sense. (Note: It also does not make sense that the lack of scientists or panic in the hangar when the hypercube collapses indicates that they expected it to fail. In that case, they would have just assassinated anyone they wanted dead, rather than go through the completely useless trouble of transporting them to the hangar and into the hypercube. Also, there's a ridiculous lack of monitoring devices in the hangar. Think about it: the government would scientifically monitor the hell out of an enormous, expensive, high-tech creation.)
Examples of characters without reasons: i) If we assume they wanted Becky Young dead for knowing something she shouldn't have, there was no reason to throw Simon Grady in there when he didn't yet know a single thing about the reason for her disappearance (besides, if she disappeared at the same time as everyone else, how is Simon even on the case yet?). ii) There's no reason to execute a senile, alzheimer's-suffering theoretical mathematician who simply knows what a (non-lethal, theoretical) hypercube is. iii) There's no reason to execute a hacker/programmer who has no idea you stole his concept of rooms with differing time speeds (why did they even steal that?). iv) There's no reason to execute your lawyer - quite the contrary! You might really need her some day!
3) a) The movie operated on a self-contradictory notion of what the hypercube was. It was stated in the film that the fourth dimension was NOT time, and yet inside the hypercube, parallel realities existed AND many of them were time-shifted - neither of these have anything to do with a fourth dimension if it is not time (nor does the shifting of gravity, or sped-up and slowed-down zones). Basically instead of choosing a definition of what the fourth dimension was, the movie experiments with many possibilities, thereby negating all plausibility.
3) b) Moreover, the parallel realities intermingled, which makes no sense - specifically when the two Mrs. Paleys touched hands, two realities existed in the exact same space, which undermines any definition of what a reality is. (If the hypercube contains its own, encompassing reality - and indeed it SHOULD - there's no reason for multiple realities as we know them to exist within it, that is, to be the definition of its reality, because this too is NOT what the fourth dimension is.) Besides, it's incredibly "convenient" that the acting number of realities inside the hypercube was very very small (much smaller than the suggested number of rooms!), and that despite the "instability" of the hypercube no two realities happened to coexist such that two or more people occupied the same space at the same time, and that none of the realities we witnessed were lucky enough to see one of the characters being brought into the hypercube in the first place and thereby see the guards using the exit (or likewise to see Kate making her final escape and jump in after her)!
3) c) Most importantly, it doesn't actually make sense that although multiple time-shifted realities co-existed within the hypercube, the cube could progressively (as in over time) collapse. Some of those realities would have to exist in a time when the cube was already in the process of collapsing, thus negating said realities because they were outside the (shrinking) bounds of the hypercube - and since we've already established that multiple realities are allowed to exist in the same space and time, most or all of the characters, for most or all of the film, should have been simultaneously in a state of being and a state of non-being, because a reality wherein they were outside the (smaller) bounds of the hypercube existed at the exact same space and time. The most simplistic solution to this would be that ALL the characters are alive in the water in the hangar at the end of the film, because non-being in the hypercube is being outside of the hypercube, which for simplicity's sake ought to be being alive and well in the hangar. Maybe they were all shot as they appeared in the hangar, dozens of copies of the same people, over and over, during the course of the film, and we just didn't see it...?
3) d) Kate's final escape does not make sense. The film implies that the hypercube is collapsing and what it leaves behind is total nonexistence, and there is no good reason why that collapse should be coming from every direction except the floor. Besides, who's to say that particular room had gravity directed the way it normally is, where down is down? Actually, the hypercube's collapse should have come from all four dimensions, one of which Kate would have been unable to see. So she should have been rendered nonexistent. OR since the final minutes implied all realities and all rooms were merging together, ALL living characters (which would have been a lot, because of the multiple realities - more than one of each character) should have survived. BUT then they would all be merged into the same space as the collapse continued, thus negating them all. So yeah, nobody should have escaped the cube at all, unless that particular floor panel was THE exit, but then because of the realities being merged together in the collapse, it would simultaneously be NOT the exit - so nobody should have escaped (or everyone, existing in a single space and time, should have simultaneously escaped and not escaped, but on their escape they'd re-enter our normal 3 dimensions and cohabit the same space, exploding into an atomic pulp).
3) e) Also, the collapsing of all the realities and rooms together would bring the room with the spinning razor cube and the rooms with the deadly crystal shafts all together as well, thus killing everybody.
4) a) Did I mention time doesn't make sense in the movie either? The realities are time-shifted, meaning different iterations (copies) of the same people enter the cube, do certain things, and die at different times. Plus, time moves slower or faster in certain rooms. Hence there is no way that all the different watches from Jerry would display the same time, as they were acquired in different rooms from different, time-shifted Jerrys. Also, the room in which Max and Julia are decomposing corpses making out seems to imply (since we never see them again) that those are the ones from the reality we know - which makes sense, sort of, since they were in a fast-time room. However, the time in that room was not THAT fast compared to the previous rooms (besides, if it were, they'd be decomposing so fast before Kate's eyes that we'd see the progress). This would also lead us to assume that when Kate and Sasha are in a room with bodies in a similar state of decomposition, that is likely a similarly fast-timed room, however the next time we see Simon (who could not have been in an equally fast-timed room for equally long, since he has been moving), his age is no different, and he is moving no faster or slower in the room he comes from.
4) b) Another huge problem is at the very end when the general says Kate has been gone for 6 minutes and 59 seconds. This leads us to believe that all the characters were thrown into the hypercube at 6 pm (as it is now, we're lead to believe, 6:06:59). However, just before leaving the hypercube Kate looks at a watch that says 6:06:59, and that watch, whether it has been in the exact same room speeds as Kate or not, should have on average been through the same amount of relative time as Kate (note I already pointed out that the watches displaying the identical time makes no sense, but let's assume they all averaged out perfectly somehow). This means either that all the characters were actually all thrown in there ninety-whatever minutes ago (however long the movie is up to that point), OR that the average room speed in the hypercube is roughly 13 times faster than time as we know it, which is arbitrary and ridiculous. Why build an inescapable killing device AND make the people inside die 13 times faster? What do you care, since they're stuck there anyway, and the inevitable collapse will kill whoever is left at the same time regardless?
5) So Kate was sent into the hypercube with a mission. She knows the way in (so does whoever put the victims in there), and let's assume the ending proved she knows the way out (so does whoever put the victims in there). She did her job (so did whoever put the victims in there). Why kill her, and not whoever put the victims in there? Or if they were killed too, why not kill them all by putting them into this, that, or the other cube, since that seems to be the preferred way of killing anyone with any knowledge of the cube? But then, doesn't that become a vicious cycle? Whoever Kate works for is exactly the same as whoever the person operating the cube works for, and that operator seems to have the exact same reasons to be killed as Kate, and then whoever kills him has the exact same reasons (same forbidden knowledge) to be killed, et cetera. So everyone with any knowledge of this project should be killed until there are only two people left, and then they'd get stuck in a war of "You go first, I insist" until they shot each other or destroyed the cube. Basically, if we're to make any sense of the obsession with secrecy that made them kill Kate, we need to accept that the cube is an utterly doomed experiment, and take comfort in the fact that the killers will also be killed, because rules are rules.
6) Finally, this isn't a major point, but visually, the "boundaries" of rooms, in terms of where their different speeds or gravities kick in, is inconsistent. OK, that had nothing to do with the ending. Sorry.
you proved beyond any reasonable doubt that this movie is a total piece of crap, that it sucked, why it sucked and why it does not make any sense at all.
after your essay all cube 0/2 forum administrators should be ashamed for themselves and take their forums down immediatly.
as i am a big fan of the original cube movie and the 2 imitations messed with that, i was delighted to read your post and copy pasted it into a text file on my pc so that i can enjoy it from time to time.
"Maybe they were all shot as they appeared in the hangar, dozens of copies of the same people, over and over, during the course of the film, and we just didn't see it...? "
sorry for double posting, but i just wanted to say that this idea is so brilliant that if we would have seen something like that as an explanation at the end of the movie it would have really saved the movie.
well, the essence is that overall this movie is completely unplausible. how can you take cube 2 in any way seriously? there are actually more plot holes in it than there is plot itself.
wow, there is actually someone who thinks c2 is the best of all three? unbelievable. well, c2 is unneccessary, unplausible and illogic, but at least it is better than c0.
well, i don't think the term "better" would fit in that case as i can not find anything good in both se-pre-quels. i find it "less bad" as it at least only copys the idea of cube with adding some cyber-mumbo-jumbo to it. for me c2 is a bad attempt to make money out of the original movie without making any sense. it would have been possible to make a somehow decent sequel with some of the basic ideas of c2, but the final script is just ridiculous.
i dislike c0 more than c2, because it tries to explain something that was not meant to be explained. first of all cube was meant to be a one movie experience as it makes sense in itself and no pre or sequels were planned by vincenzo natali. i like to compare it in a way to the movie oldboy. in both cases you could make a pre and a sequel but there just is no sense in that as there is no open storylines to complete. cube had an open opening and an open end as both is just irrelevant for the story. it does not matter how they have catched this people, how or why they are put in and what happens to someone who gets out of it. anyway it would have been possible, not neccessary but possible, to make this a good prequel and for me even makes it through the first fifteen minutes or so, but all that happens after that is just ridiculous. there would have been hundreds of possibilitys to explain the why what and if, but the things they have choosen could have been written by a twelve year old boy for his school essay. the bio-chipped soldier, the room where to be ask if they believed in god, the brain-crippeling of the main character and all that 80s movie cyber-tools (e.g. the keyboard that has to be used with some electronic finger tips) categorizes this as a C-movie and the main question is why? the original cube story was plausible, not very likely, but plausible. it would have been possible to build such a thing. the things shown in c0 and c2 are plain and simple nonsense.
I agree with the previous post. I recently bought the Cube boxed set after seeing the original many years ago and have been disappointed by the lack of mystery in the sequel / prequel. The ending to Cube 2 is indeed a cop out, a blatant attempt to get a clause in to make a third to explain the ending scene.
If they do make a third, they should ignore Cube 2 totally. I wasn't keen on the rehashed script, rehashed psycho and crap booby traps in this film. Zero is truer to the original but ultimately falls short. Perhaps a third that suggests maybe, just maybe, it was built by aliens, or that the participants are already dead, will put the mystery back into the Cube.
I beg to differ. By providing answers and no questions, they leave no mystery in the film at all. We now know all about the origins of the Cube, that the participants are being viewed like a reality TV show, that they are condemned criminals that choose the Cube over the death penalty, that the cube can be reprogrammed, that the traps reset themselves and that even if you beat it you will be incinerated. Hypercube even tells us that its national security weapons manufacturing firm that runs the whole show.
Not much mystery left at all.
Let me contrast that with the original, that suggested some of these ideas - and more, but didnt emphatically state *why* they were in there, *why* the cube was built nor *who* was really behind it.
Maybe I should do that, but I will leave it a while, as I wasn't too impressed and my sentiments seemed to be largely echoed on the net too. Always good to hear an alternative point of view though ;)
Brilliant deductions brand_nu_sim You summed up most of the rediculess plot holes the movie doesn't even attemp to fill, and you made the idiot fans uber jealous with your insight, obviously!
Any fan of this or any Cube movie is an idiot... and if you think you have some special insight, I guess you would, your a moron...
The movie was pretty good, I think the only reason the first one was better was because the rooms had color gave the movie variety.
And even tho some of you think its a bad one it got you thinking (it got some thinking real hard like brand nu sim guy) a bad movie is the one you see and dont realy want to think about it again because it was *beep*
I guess most of you think its a bad movie because of these "fan" battles im noticing, its just a damn movie (=
I will Try to answer the questions of 'brand nu sim' as best as I can: 1)a) Kate's misson was probably to get out alive perferably with the device and Alex/Sasha alive which is why she was trying to protect her. Also Kate probably figured it was not any of the people in the beds seen in the begginning (Kate was not in one nor was Alex/Sasha or Becky). 1)b)Simon was not a violent sociopath in the beginning he only casually became one like the guy in the original who had a slightly violent past and became more violent the longer he was in the cube. The guys outside the hypercube probably do not know how it works either. 2)a)Yeah you are kind of right about this, Alex/Sasha should have gave a copy to a friend or someone to post online or give to the news. She probably thought she could escape though. 2)b)Some of the reasons do make sense, the cube is probably somewhere in Area 51 if it is owned by the government (and you can not get near Area 51, or whatever it is really called, in real life beacuse there are armed helicopters that go around a private property perimiter). Max and Julia's reasons are not that good, but Jerry was put in there probably because he built the doors and heard rumors about what the doors were for. I think Mrs. Paley says that she told 'them' that the hypercube is unstable and either they did not believe her and/or did not care. i) 'They' probably feared that Simon would learn something, and 'they' put Becky in before (she is not on a stretcher in the beginning) but her copy from the past or from another dimension crosses over into the present one with Simon. ii) She worked on the hypercube which is why she says somethings should be theoretical. Fearing she might spit this knowledge to her family or something they decided to get rid of her. iii)I kind of agree, maybe for an unknown reason or because he helped hack into the pentagon and could have seen something about the hypercube so they decide to put him into the hypercube. iv)I agree, maybe for an unknown reason. 3)a) Jerry says it could be time or something else. It could be something that governs both time and physics? I really was am unsure about this; another post has someone saying the hypercube would have 6 dimensions so I do not know. 3)b)Plot holes? By the end however when Kate jumps there is no more rooms really. 3)c)Do not know. 3)d)Do not know. 3)e)Do not know. I was confused by how the hypercube not imploding but being broken up? 4)a)At the end I think the laws of physics were completely out the window and as the realities were coming together the different corpses/ people were getting closer to Kate. That is probably the best answer I can get for this one. 4)b)Do not know. I do not think the characters were in the cube for the length of the movie because there are cuts like in the first one where it is assumed time has passed and a point where Max and Jerry are talking about Alex as voiceovers while the screen shows them going through the hypercube. 5)They killed Kate because she knows too much. Some of the guards there probably know that they should do what they are told or if they say no will get shot as well. If the guards and everyone else got thrown in the cube there would not be anyone to then tell the boss(s) what had happened. No more than a certain number of people know of the cube(s) at one time probably. 6)Do not know.
I hope this helps, I tried my best.
My question is who was the unlucky guy to be sent into the hypercube to install the doors (it is possible that machines made it in a factory)?
It was a whistle from the "whistle blowing" alex tusk. Interestingly it appears to have been an advanced technology for recording data within the cube. Alien in origin perhaps?
mrmooman is incorrect. "Cop out" is not a phrase used solely in Australia, it is used in many English speaking countries.
The simplest and most common definition would be "to take the easy way out". They could have come up with a better ending, but they got lazy.
This is the official definition from Merriam-Webster:
cop out vi
Definition of COP OUT
1
: to back out (as of an unwanted responsibility) <cop out on jury duty>
2
: to avoid or neglect problems, responsibilities, or commitments <accused the mayor of copping out on the issue>
The world is yours & everything in it. Its out there; get on your grind & get it.
that the cube was being tested for use as a weapon, thus it being manufactured by an elite weapons company. All the people in the cube this time were part of the design. I think that Enzon was trying to kill 2 birds with one stone, by testing the cube while disponsing of people who knew about components of it and who may spread the secret; The senile old mathamatician who used to work for them and is now accidentally exposing secrets in her senility, the computer games designer who developed a similar concept and was trying to make a big messy lawsuit, the lavish lawyer who represented them, the physicist who knew too much, the P.D who was following a missing worker, a worker on the project, a military officer obviously working with Enzon who probably helped on the orginal cube project.
The young girl, who was a genuis hacker threatened them so she was being hunted, she escaped into the cube probably for curiousity and probably because it was the safest place for her. The bleeding heart kate switches her caring behavior from one person to the other before she realizes that alex trust must be the young girl, because she is the odd one out. The only one who doesn't seem to have an apparent connection with the Cube, just like Kate herself. So kate trys and befriends her to find out where the data she is seeking for Enzon is.
I think the device ripped from her neck was delicate information(like some sort of thumb drive) on the cube that she was going to use to take them down, and probably other more sensitive information about other companies and the government(as alex trust had hacked their systems as well) Enzon needed that device to cover their asses and possibly learn other material from it as well.
Of course once she's done her job kate is no longer needed and they disposed of the rest who knew about the cube and finished their job. You could tell she knew it was coming too.
I like this explanation, and it does kind of fit in. I have my doubts if the hypercube was "being tested as a weapon" though. My question is: why did they choose Kate who had nothing to do with anything? Is she just a random person with a kind heart so as to have pity on the blind Sasha/Alex? She didn't really have any qualities to get her out of the cube, other than a willingness to not give up.
If the device Sasha has around her neck is information that could "take them down", it's in the cube. It will be destroyed when the cube implodes and cease to exist.