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Here's What I Think (The Whole Picture)


This is sort of a mult-response to many of the topics here, for anyone still reading these boards.. I just rewatched it and feel the need to analyze a bit.

Be warned... SPOILERS be lurking below, mateys.




First issue... what is the fourth dimension?

My answer (note: I am definitely NOT a scientist, so bare with me on these opinions): Time. It's a dimension that cannot be depicted on a diagram because it requires motion to be displayed.. the dimension of time looks at a 3D object and all of its components over an infinite span of time. One could assume that the hypercube is one single cube with six doors. Each door leads to the same cube at a different point in time. In this way, the hypercube seems to stretch on into infinity, and it quite frankly does. Because by adding the element of infinite time, alternate univeres are developed.... see, not only does the 4th dimension look at a 3D object at arbitrary points in time.. it also looks at all POSSIBLE perspectives from all POSSIBLE points in time. So every choice and movement made by the cube's components (the people in the cube) creates millions of cubes... how each "snapshot" cube is organized seems to be mostly random in the multiverse of the hypercube.

Because of its complexity, the hypercube is extremely unstable. In the movie, the hypercube is obviously a work in progress, which might explain why IZON is vehement on tracking down Alex Trusk.. even if it means going into the hostile environment of the cube... because she is carrying some sort of vital information device.

Meanwhile, the cube can only stay "alive" for a short period of time. As the physicist is able to figure out, when the watch he happens upon (Jerry's) reached 6:06:59, the cube will collapse on itself. It seems the only way out, then, is to be in the right cube (probably the original 3D cube) by 60659. How do they find this cube out of the billions of cubes? They are led there by the collapse of the outermost "snapshot" cubes as the hypercube is imploding (you know, the ones that kill people).

As for getting into the cube, it seems that a portal must be created that allows one to physically enter the 4D environment. The liquid that Kate wakes up in looks like mercury or a similar chemical, so it must be the "portal" into the cube.. therefore, there could be more than one portal into the cube, as long as there is only one to get out (ie they would have to destroy other portals before people escape from the cube..otherwise, the hypercube's dimenstion will interfere with our real world physics, which could cause a catastrophic result for the rest of the earth.

We have to assume that the movie takes place far enough into the future for this quantum transportational system to be developed (after all, if you can't suspend your disbelief somewhat, you'll never enjoy any sort of scifi movie or book)



Issue 2: Why Them??

Why were these specific people chosen to go into the hypercube? Simple.

Recall the first Cube movie. As Holloway exclaims angrily told that she was chosen because she's a doctor.. "why not the 10 million other doctors in this country?" (or something like that).. .there is an amount of randomness to the selection process... but, they would most likely want to choose people close to home, because they would have greater control hiding their disappearances. In the end, they are just looking for guinea pigs to test out their new technological toy. Let's look at all the unwilling participants, and the two willings.


Dr. Phil Rosenzweig: This famous physicist was most obviously selected to test the hypercube. Would this genius be able to figure his way out? The answer is no. He is found dead (though he must have been alive elsewhere in the cube, do to the time factor.) I believe that the watch they find in the cube was originally left by Jerry and then picked up by Rosenzweig. The doctor was able to do his math based on the arbitrary time set up on the watch. In one despairing reality (obviously a "true" reality because he did not make it out of the cube [as far as we get to know]), the doctor is able to decipher the time when the cube will implode, but not how to get out. He writes the time stamp down in various places (60659) and somehow dies.. starvation, exhaustion, stroke.. doesn't really matter in the end.

A quick note on how he finds Jerry's watch: The main characters in the film that are "just waking up" have most likely already woken up in other realities... in one of them, Jerry suggests leaving things behind, and he reluctantly leaves his watch behind. This is integral to Rosenzweig's purpose as a character, because he would need the time reference to do his calculations. In the current reality, the one where Kate escapes, Jerry and co. find the watch, so Jerry remarks that he was going to suggest that they leave things behind, but he doesn't do to the disturbing find.

Colonel Maguire: This sad fellow was obviously aware of the original cube. He looks around for the numbers to help guide him out... a couple things here... why the briefcase? why him? Well, the viewer could make up pretty much any reason here, but one explanation could be that he crossed someone that he shouldn't have and is being punished. He has knowledge of the regular cube, so he is the test to see if that knowledge will help him escape a hypercube.. he doesn't even try, finding that suicide is his only choice. The briefcase is most likely a taunt. It gives him hope when he wakes up and finds it with him, then he realizes taht it is empty and therefore is useless.

Becky Young: Becky is an IZON employee, though we don't know what level. I would like to romanticize things a bit and say that she started snooping around above her clearance level and is being punished for it, but no real explanation is given. She certainly seems out of her league in the cube, so I doubt she is put in there to test her expertise in any way. Her main purpose for the movie is to create the character of Simon Grady.

Simon Grady: Simon is contracted by Becky's parents after she is abducted, after all, we don't know how long each person (except for Kate on the DVD) was in the cube or how long they were kept "plastic wrapped" before going in the cube. Simon starts investigating Becky and IZON takes notice. To hide their tracks regarding Becky, they abduct Simon Grady as well. Simon of course goes crazy and eats Becky multiple times (living in the cube for many "years" in one reality), so he probably wasn't the best PI to contract.

Julia: Julia seems to be another random grab. She represents IZON as a lawyer, is very wealthy, and rubs shoulders with the Hollywood crowd. Other than that, she seems pretty expendable. Perhaps she was bad at her job, or perhaps she had a big mouth about IZON's cases... either way, someone wanted her dead, so they used her as a guinea pig like Becky.

Max Reisler: Max's reason is easy to guess... he essentially designed parts of the cube; these ideas were stolen by Game Thrill/IZON and when he prepared to take legal action against Game Thrill, IZON takes him out and puts him in his own game.

Jerry Whitehall: Jerry, my least favorite character, though the actor did pretty well, is one of the engineers that designed the phyiscal aspect of the original 3D cube that was put into the 4th dimention. Like Worth before him, he proves that its best to research your projects before taking on random contracts to design strange doors or large outershells. I suspect that IZON was worried he might try to sell his designs elsewhere, which could eventually lead to a leakage of IZON being the first to contract these doors. So they keep him quiet by putting him in the cube.

Sasha: Sasha/Alexandra Trusk says she goes into the hypercube to escape IZON. Her necklace apparently holds an information device that is deemed vital by the IZON people. How does she get in the hypercube? Well, as she is a genius, one could stretch and say taht she was able to construct her own "portal" into the cube.. then when IZON tracks her down to her house and finds this portal, they destroy it and send an agent to go after her.

Kate Filmore: Kate is an agent of IZON sent into the cube on a suicide mission to destroy Alex Trusk and hopefully retrieve the information device. It takes Kate a while to discover Alex's otehr identity--which would make me assume that she wasn't given much information--there probably wasn't much info. to give, Alex seems to be very mysterious after all. When Kate does discover Alex, I think she has gained an attachment--it isn't uncommon for unlikely friendships to form as a result of a life-or-death situation. So, Kate might have hoped to take ALex out of the cube alive hoping that IZON might let her go... or, maybe she just wanted her captured alive to be better rewarded by IZON--either way, Kate was not happen when Sasha was killed by Simon. Kate does make it out of the cube, but why is Tracton ordered to kill her? Simple. She knows too much. She has fulfilled her task BETTER than expected (they thought she was a goner) but they had no room for someone with more information about the cube than they did. The information device may have been recording info while they were in the cube, which would explain why there was no need of a debriefing/interrogation about what happened.



That's all I'll cover for now... leave questions or comments and I'll try to address them... like I said, this is just for fun, I'm not a genius or a scientist so don't feel special if you discover a flaw in my ideas--I'm sure they are there. I'm jsut in the mood to discuss a movie taht I thoroughly enjoyed (though I liked the original cube better for its commentary on human nature.)


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Got one: Why didn't they run into the scientist or the general alive in some alternate reality?

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My response would have to be that in a hypercube, even an unstable one, there are billions or possibilities... with the general, they did find him in another reality, though he was dead--but in a different manner than when they first met him. Really, all one can say to this predicament is that the time frame of the movie doesn't allow every possible reality to be explored... in my opinion though, the writers really could have added some more tension by letting them run into the general again.. it would have connected Hypercube more with the first film.. but alas, I suppose his only purpose was to show that the cube from cube one did exist and people knew about it, and this new cube was something much more sinister (seeing as how the general tried to off himself rather than fight to survive). I'm glad they didn't run into the scientist at another point, though, because that would have blown the whole expiration date things.. unless the scientist chose not to tell them, which would have been stupid. So those omissions might have been for the best, as those characters were meant to be plot devices not characters at all.

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Because the general killed himself at the start of every alternate reality. The one reality where they see him alive is the exception. The only way that they would have run into general again would have been to stop him from killing himself (or see themselves stopping him from killing himself). Simply put, there are a much larger number of realities where he dies than realities where he lives so in all probability, it is unlikely that they would see him alive again.

My theory for the scientist is simply that he only existed in one reality. I think it's totally possible that he never left the one room that he was in, which means he would never cross into an alternate reality.

All of this assumes a singular interpretation of the movie and time itself, so there are definitely tons of possible answers (or not answers) to the question.

-Myke-

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arcadian116, you are very smart and insightful. thanks so much for the debriefing!

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If kate was only sent in there to get the device around Alex's neck than why didn't she remember anything about her life until she got out of the cube. If they wanted her to get the device wouldn't they tell her how to get out and give it to them. Unless she was supposed to go in there just to make sure that it all was destroyed?

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I believe Kate was only helping Sasha so she could help her get to the end, she knew her mission from the beginning but didn't want to say anything incase the rest got suspicious. I dont think she know she would be shot though.

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She did know she would be shot because she closed her eyes even before the gunman pulled his trigger.

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Hey Arcadian, that was a really good explanation of the film. There was one thing that bothered me though about it. In every alternate "reality", the cube would implode on itself at 6:06.59. So how is it that you said that Simon was able to survive in one reality by eating the people he kept finding and killing, and doing this for several years? The only explanation that I can come up with is that Simon had been going through the doors into different realities in the past (hence the reason that he kept meeting the same people but they didn't know who he was, because they had just woken up), and he killed them and ate them. Does that make sense in any way? Also, do you think that Simon was doing this for several years? I would tend to think that a person would eventually kill himself after resorting to cannibalism for so long. Do you think that Simon could have possibly done this for several months rather than several years? Please get back to me with your input on my questions. Thanx!

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Look at Vietnam and Iraq.
Perfect explanation for why the military shot Kate.
They think they know everything and sometimes do not allow for possible failure.

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A good analysis, and an enjoyable read :) You express some good opinions, many of which I agree with. I have a few opinions on the film myself. For one thing, I feel Colonel Maguire could have been made more of, the beggining with him was great for fans of Cube; "I want a chance with my numbers! I want a chance, like everyone else..." Brilliant.

He should have told the group more,IMO, to add some relevance to the original.

What I find interesting is how he says MY numbers. He has his boot off. He was probably very high up in the original Cube's organization, and they wanted rid of him. Maybe he wanted to expose it? With more explanation, he could have given this film much more solid foundations than it has.

The same applies for our scientist friend. I felt the main problem of this film was that it didn't create mystery like the first film, it simply denied you information and left you slightly confused. With more background from characters like these this film could be creatly more enjoyable. In all, it just needs tieing in with the origial more, as it clearly follows on, with cool references, but just doesn't support them well enough.

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one thing...
if there is millions of different realities (there isn't infinite is there, because the hypercube is a finite structure) why is there only 2 realities overlapping at the end i.e. the dead general and the crazy guy with his eye stabbed out. surely there would have been more...
although i suppose if the cube was imploding the other realities could have been killed off...although why does kate see herself coming through one of the doors and the cube is imploding away from her...?
also, what the hell is that razor thing meant to be that killed jerry.

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It actually far-fetched how dimensions work but I know that the fourth dimension is time and time alone, no gravity or space goes along with it. Infact from the fourth dimension and up it all turns confusing and weird and the fourth dimension is simple to the rest.

0D - Point/gas
1D - Length
2D - Height
3D - Width
4DU - Time

See simple - god knows what happens past that....
One thing you gotta know is that beyond the third dimension they become dimensional universes - I don't know exactly what this means but it gives off that they are special and different. 'Cause as we all see time just seems to come outta nowhere.

The Fourth Dimensional Universe
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In the fourth dimension it is the element of time that is added to those of length, width and height. For two objects to come into contact with each other (or for two people to shake hands) in the third dimension, they have both to exist simultaneously at the same time of the same day of the same week in the same year. But this is not true in the fourth dimension, where two people shaking hands might not belong to the same era at all. For instance: in the fourth dimension it would be perfectly possible for a person from the present day to shake hands with someone from the 12th century. Similarly, it would be impossible to tell whether the building in front of you genuinely existed in the present day or whether it was the 'continued actuality' of a building that had stood there in the past. Even if it was only a simulacrum from the past, it would look and feel real: it would be there.

This does not mean parallel realities or universes, it just messes with time not geography. God, Cube 2 stuffed up....


....at least we have Ms. Pailey

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ur explaination is brilliant. um i was wonder what u meant by being plastic wrapped? did they all have to like that before goign into the cube? and what did the governement or whoeever want the cube for? was this in the movie or in the first cube?

another quesion is if tey're from alternate times, when kate saw the other kate it seemed like the kate in the past couldnt see the kate in the present. could they ever be together in the same cube talking to each other? sorry im kinda dumb...:D

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Nobody ever mentions Mrs. Paley...

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I agree. It was a stupid comment. He was trying to come up with a clever "quip" that means nothing in reality. Which soliders were shot by the government after they returned home from Vietnam and Iraq?

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Mrs. Paley - A retired worker from IZON, she knew about the Cube project and found it too cruel (at certain point she acts like she's talking to a general, probably she did that some years ago).

So, to make sure she didn't release any info, they put her in the Hypercube.

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I've got one question:

If Simon kills different versions of Jerry, meeting him at different points of time in different realities, why all the watches have the same time?

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Excellent point, Rafael! You should submit that to IMDb as a "goof."



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