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GIRLS ALWAYS DO THIS.


Its a fact a lot of reported rapes aren't even rapes at all. A lot of women say they've been raped when they engage in sex that would be deemed "inappropriate." They'll consent to having sex with someone they shouldn't be having sex with, and then say they were raped. I've heard about girls doing this, and I've even had a friend say she cheated on her boyfriend, and when he found out, she told him the guy had raped her. She didn't report it, but her boyfriend went and fought the guy, when the guy had done nothing wrong.

For someone who's actually been assaulted and sexually abused, it makes me SO mad that girls do this.

I was glad in the movie when Allison confronted Emily about lying, and told Emily's parents what she agreed to have sex with three gang members.

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Don't generalize. Emily was wrong, but you also have to consider how you would feel after a guy comes behind you and sticks it in your a** without your direct direct consent. And also the difference between how you see it then and how you see it sober.

But no, it wasn't raped. But some people feel raped.

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wait
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girls?

come on



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Exactly, most girls who are raped are afraid or embarassed to report it. Many of the rapes that are reported are false accusation though. Less than 1% eh? How exactly do you put a number on which one's were lying. Fact is though we see it every day. We see real rapes much more often, I'm not belittling them or blaming the victim, but to say people don't lie about them is just plain stupid. There are bad females just as there are bad males.

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Finally, someone who isn't pushing the blame at Emily, and understands what sexual assault is. Just a side note - what's the age of consent in Southern California, anyway? There may have also been a case of statutory rape.

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"I was glad in the movie when Allison confronted Emily about lying, and told Emily's parents what she agreed to have sex with three gang members."


she agreed to do it, unfortunetly she wasnt dealing with nice guys. They were gang members and to people who are immoral enough to be in a gang the no means no rule most likely wont apply.


Im really not trying to blame the girl, but Emily and Allison had no business playing around in world they new nothing about. It was a game to them and when Emily had those men on her it suddenly became real. In real life she would've gotten raped and dealt with so she wouldn't tell or play the rape card!





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"They were gang members and to people who are immoral enough to be in a gang ..."

I'm sorry you missed out on one of the most important points that Hector had been trying throughout to make to Alison. He could see through her and knew she was fake from the very moment she tried to go down the slums all tricked out in female Hispanic dress claiming she 'dressed like that all the time'.

He tried in a number of instances to point out to her that being part of a gang was not just a game to them as she perceived everything to be. That's their family to them, what they've been born into, and is the only they've ever known. That they were real people behind the thug banger stereotype she thought so 'real' and 'hard' and cool to be around. It becomes really hazy when you try and lump gang members as "immoral". They didn't have the options of even HAVING parents, much less dysfunctional rich white parents. They were taught in the streets of the loyalty to the gang as family. And when that gang treats you with far more respect and loyalty and love as a real family would, while the rest of society treats you like a poor illegal slummer never giving you any benefit of the doubt, what is moral and immoral at that point? Following the "law" and its officers that will pick you out and lock you up with no evidence, as they did when they locked Hector and his boys up and Alison got tossed in a holding cell with a bunch of poor girls shocked that she had parents to come and get her out of jail free card. Or when they pulled the bangers over for merely DRIVING in palisades despite breaking no laws? Or following your crew that has shown you more love, respect, and devotion than the law ever has. A crew devoted to the welfare of every other member; much like the unconditional love they were supposed to receive from a family? What is morality or immorality at that point?

If you can label anyone as 'immoral' for their gang participation in this movie it would be the rich white wiggers and their wannabe badness. Not the real bangers that don't have a 'choice'.



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The "rape" was the most important scene in the movie because it put a harsh spotlight on the very idea of victimization. What we have here is the complete breakdown of all the rules that society has placed on the natural urges to keep us from sexually violating one another. Sex, in its raw form, though highly desired is not necessarily pleasant, either in its commission or its consequence. Society, and to a certain extent, our biology, for all its faults, finds ways to curb these unpleasantries through a dance we partake in that is to one degree or another choreographed. Since desire rises as the dance progresses, it is usually regulated to keep it from going too far, especially for the inexperienced. In this film, it went too far, and with alcohol inhibiting the defenses, there will be a strong likelihood of sexual violence. Can we as a society expect youngsters who otherwise have no rules to govern their own behavior in this area avoid what we are by human nature are going to do? The only way out of this pickle if we must yield to the argument of freedom for our youngsters is not to make such a big deal out of it what with having legal sanctions against it, that is unless the violence does irreparable harm (and I don't mean the harm from shame), but rather that it merely be considered a life's lesson and the next time we should be more careful.

Note, this reasoning doesn't apply to adult child rapes, or any where there is a great difference in sexual experience, only to similarly aged and experienced youngsters. In this film one might say that there wasn't much difference in experience between the boys and the girls, but that masks the differences in the kind of experience they had up to that moment, which, of course is the point being made by the film. Thus, what we have here is the excitement driving the girls combined with the (by comparison) caution exhibited by the boys that when an "agreement" was reached, it turned out not to have been what each thought they agreed to. The question of rape is possible to consider but I think the film came to the conclusion in the only way it could. Let it be considered a life's lesson and move on. (The boys, however, weren't so fortunate and in any case had other issues.)

James

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that was one of the best parts of the movie,, when emily got ratted out to her parents.. i was like yeah.
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A lot of people take the term rape way too far. A lot of instances could be considered rape, but shouldn't be.

-This summer I was at my house doing shots with my friend and after seven or eight shots and a lot dancing we left to go to her boyfriend's house. I was so drunk, I didn't even remember the ride there (someone else drove us). I passed out on the couch and half an hour later, some guy walks in. We start chatting (as much as I could seeing as I was sloshed out of my mind). At some point, I start throwing pennies at him and he warns me that he's going to "f*k me senseless" if I did it again. Everything was funny, so I kept doing it. And what happened? We started to have sex, it started hurting, I told him to stop, he continued for a while until I pushed him off me. Of course, I ended up giving him a BJ anyway. Now I was drunk as fiddler's bitch, and he was sober, technically, it was rape since I was "by law" too intoxicated to be of sound mind, but I didn't cry foul. Sure, in the morning I felt horrible about it. Guilty, disgusted etc....but I didn't run to the cops.

At the end of the day, drunk or no drunk, it's a decision you consciously make. Alcohol doesn't give you a pass to do anything you want. People have some sense of self control, I mean, we don't go around f*ing our sisters or cousins because we got drunk.

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crooked_spoons, you are hilarious! and, of course, completely right!

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