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She said yes to sleeping with one but not being gang banged!


The moment she started screaming and crying no is when they should have stopped and they didn't so thats rape. I dont care if she told the whole room shed screw every last one of them, they took it too far, and got far too aggressive. If shes not ok with being gang banged then they should back off not force it.

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I doubt any judge in Los Angeles would have convicted them of rape in that situation if they had a competent defense attorney.

Not saying it isnt rape. Just saying I doubt there would be a conviction.

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Agreeing to have sex with three men isn't an agreement for them to do anything they want to her. She objected when guy number two got into the action while she was still with guy number one. Why do you think the first guy waited til the girl wasn't watching to silently signal the second guy to join in?

She changed her mind. And the guys didn't stop til she had already become hysterical and Anne Hathaway's character started yelling at them.




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Exactly. Some people how was it rape when Hector motioned the older brother in. Why did he purposely turn her back against him with clear access to violate her.
And they did not stop once they saw her freaking out. Emily was in shock and couldnt speak and they didn't stop until Alison barged in and saw what they were basically doing. And in that two seconds, everybody is getting confused and pissed off that she was forcing them off her.

"It's a freakin metaphor Ryan!"

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Totally agreed.

People who make threads about how IT TOTES WASN'T RAPE U GUISE!!! seem to be of a mindset that you can't rape a prostitute. I'd point them to a particular scene in "Leaving Las Vegas" to counter that & to see if they still believe that, once someone says "yes" to anything sexual, they lose the right to change their minds.

Ugh. I fear many folks still *would* argue that, actually.

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Edited to add: I meant to say that people arguing there was no rape in "Havoc" would ALSO say you can't rape a prostitute. Not to imply that Bijou Phillips' s character WAS a prostitute. Typing fail!

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Oh, thank God there are people here who know something about rape law.

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Gods sake man, both of them are taunting hardened gang members over the course of multiple scenes and get in a situation like that. What outcome do they expect or indeed you expect?
A romantic evening of slow love making, they make a stupid decision lucky it never ended worse.

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I agree stop means stop




I was waiting for my hearse what came next was so much worse

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I don't normally feed trolls but you are beyond ridiculous now , I am not a member if imdb staff , I have not bullied you nor have I said anything cruel etc.
I have saved the numerous messages you have sent to me . When I was first told about you I didn't think it possible that someone could be so angry and childish as well as abusive .
Just post about films and if people don't agree it's their choice



I was waiting for my hearse what came next was so much worse

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by cabal24 » Wed Jul 25 2012 13:36:49 Flag ▼ | Reply |


I doubt any judge in Los Angeles would have convicted them of rape in that situation if they had a competent defense attorney.

Not saying it isnt rape. Just saying I doubt there would be a conviction.


That's what I thought too , any good defence lawyer would have got them a not guilty verdict


I was waiting for my hearse what came next was so much worse

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Rewatch the scene. The second guy is clearly already in and they are doing DP.If she didn't want the DP, she would have stopped it then. Maybe she thought she could handle it. She consented to that. They get a little rougher and you can see the discomfort on her face but she still hasn't said anything, she is making typical rough sex noises. Within seconds of her saying stop, get off, they do.




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Rewatch the scene. The second guy is clearly already in and they are doing DP.If she didn't want the DP, she would have stopped it then. Maybe she thought she could handle it. She consented to that. They get a little rougher and you can see the discomfort on her face but she still hasn't said anything, she is making typical rough sex noises. Within seconds of her saying stop, get off, they do.

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If I'm with my boyfriend and he tries a new move, he's not a rapist until he continues after I say no. Same if I were to try a new move. Say I stick my finger in his bung hole while were going at it. He can clearly feel me going there, digging around but he says to himself, "What the heck, I'll let it go for a bit." Then he decides he doesn't like it and tells me to stop. If I don't stop, it's rape. If I stop, then it was something we tried and wasn't mutually pleasurable.

Girls gets in bed with guys and start to have sex. Emily starts having sex with her guy.
Allison tells her guy to stop and tries to get Emily to stop. Emily says she wants to keep going and she even tugs on Allison's guy's pants.

Emily starts having sex with Allison's guy while her first guy watches.

Allison's guy motions the other guy to join.

We see the guy with the 16 tattoo watching. He is confused. Clearly both guys are having sex with Emily. That position doesn't happen by accident or very easily. She has not objected yet but we (the audience) can clearly see that she is not enjoying herself. The guys having sex with her are not focused on her face. The noises from her are typical rough sex noises.

She yells to stop. They IMMEDIATELY get off her. Not rape.
They did not continue after she said no. They stopped immediately.



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Angelheart, what medications are you on cuz they are clearly not working. Maybe start over, get a new doctor that may be able to help you. Maybe try meditation or yoga or something. There is help, you just have to want it.

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Angelheart stop copying me you stupid parrot. I'm gonna look for some good doctors who can help you with your rape addiction. Google is your friend, there is soo much help out there for you with just a click of a mouse. Be well and no means no.

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