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Why did The Cook kill himself in that trailer? Did the person he went to get the lighter fluid from knew that he was going to do it? I try to make connections with his final monologue about his mother wanting to get rid of him, which led us to believe he was truly depressed deep inside. I'm not sure I clearly understand why he did what he did.
I think the cook was killed by the gay guy. It wasn't suicide, he just got blow up by his "business partner".
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I came across an explanation for the ending on another board, might as well pass it along to see what others thing.
The Cook's final speech about his mother has everything to do with his suicide. As a child, he saw the suffering that was inflicted on the innocent animals his mother didn't want. One can argue that The Cook himself, in retrospect, saw what he was doing to the lives of other people by slowly providing them with something that would lead to their eventual demise. In a way, The Cook was no better than his mother, killing off what he couldn't take care of. And in the end, he even took his own life, knowing what he was doing to himself was no way for any person to carry on living. The guilt of what he had done to his "clients" and the way he couldn't even properly care for himself and those around him are what lead him to kill himself.
A bit of a stretch, but a theory nonetheless.
not a stretch at all...that is the only theory that makes sense and fits the facts.
yep, but that cannot be all.
Why did he get those chemicals from that gay guy? Were the chemicals just fuel (gas) or the stuff to make the drugs=?? ..and maybe already that "take an example on him boys, that is a real man!" from the gay already was something like showing respect for the later suicide... well....... I think it could also be that the cook was just waiting for the judgement (he was just out on bail=?) and he knew he had to go back and gets sentenced for years over years (maybe he did something bad before where they didn't catch him?! - for example, he didn't have a car on himself, maybe because he couldn't register it because he was wanted..).
Well, i saw the movie only once, so i don't know if there was something speaking against this theory... but i'm quite a lot sure that it was suicide in the end, but about the reason i was wondering a lot in the end...
The depression alone could be a reason as well... maybe it was a mixture of those two=?
..and, why did the police immediately catch him from the porn store?? ..if there is a house blown up normally they don't get the idea a criminal was living there.. why did they catch him so fast=? (..looking for him already=?)
that suicide in the end is a bit of a mistery for me, but mickey rourke was playing a *beep* good role as the cook! :)
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I agree with that post... that is the explanation.
The Cook could no longer care for himself or others, and using his mother's faulty logic, ended his own life.
Yeah, he was depressed. Nowhere to go, dead end life, he just figured he's had it and decided to do it. I can understand completely. That lifestyle will do that to people - I've seen it happen, man.
*Hmmmm that was a nice meaty one with a lot of heat*
i only saw this movie once about six months ago, but i didnt think he committed suicide. I know when you cook meth you deal with different chemicals and if you *beep* one thing up you die. I always thought he blew himself up by mixing the wrong chemicals.
shareIt is true that the chemicals to make Meth are very volatile and corrosive - wrong step and boom! Which is what we saw him do in the Motel.
The van in the middle of nowhere was symbolic though - he told the story about how his whole life was screwed up, which was basically his farewell speech, and we knew he was going to do it = I mean how lonely did he sound..... he was all alone, with no skill or value in life but to make Meth and screw some Ho's.
He probably did mix the wrong chemicals - but he did it on purpose to die.
*Hmmmm that was a nice meaty one with a lot of heat*
I believe that it is due to the volatile nature of the chemicals he was working with, if the Cook wished to commit suicide there are easier ways to do so... It seems ultimately pointless for The Cook to go to the effort of picking up all the gear for starting up business again and then make a deal with Ross (Regarding the free meth for driving duties) all the while with suicide on the brain. The Cook may be an unorthodox character (to say the least) but he isn't so much a liar to make the deal with Ross and top himself (he seems overly honest at time, he speaks what is on his mind). The explosion in the motel shows how tempermental the equipment is so it doesn't seem so unlikely that The Cook was finally caught out (it was a close call at the motel)>
shareI was a little disappointed with this ending. At first I thought it was more likely that it was the gay guy that killed him, but then I thought well why would he do that unless he thought The Cook was gonna drop him in it with the cops. But taking into consideration The Cooks rather profound speech about his mother when he was a kid at the end I guess it is possible that he blew himself up. Either way I was disappointed with this ending.
sharehe commit suicide because he had nowhere else to go from there...he killed himself for sure because he wouldnt make his fast powder in a trailor because the cops would know right away and i also think ross overdosed on it...cuz who cant hear an explosion a couple of meters away
shareI don't think Ross OD-ed, he was just "dead" tired. I think the Cook had an accident. No real reason for the gay associate to give him big wads of dough and then murder him. And suicide - why? The dude was a drug addict. All he needed to do to relieve his pain was to go get SPUN again!
And just BTW I think this movie is definitely sequel-worthy.
I suspected 'The Man' had put a bomb or something in the bag. At first I assumed all the *beep* was to make more drugs. When it blew up I was torn between suicide and bombing.
As in, he was bailed out of jail so that he could be killed because he had screwed up. I only mention this because Ive seen it in another film, which I wont mention because it may spoil it.
Anyway, I'm not sure either way.
I tend to agree with thedirtee as to why he killed himself. It was so apparent to me that that was the natural ending for the film. I also got the impression that the gay guy was his brother, and perhaps sensed that The Cook was about to finish it off. By that point of the film, I was already anticipating The Cook's suicide and his puppy monologue confirmed it for me. He was to his clients what his Mum was to the puppies. He was facing years in the can. It was time to go.
In my mind, it was a superb ending. I didn't want it to end that way, but the cook had to pay his dues, and the dues were due.
Send me photos of pregnant bellys and yummy mummys!
The Cook died on accident. The final shots taken for the movie were all of people sleeping. They all crashed from their high and fell asleep for the first time in days.
The Cook fell asleep in the trailor. He fell asleep and wasn't paying attention to the chemicals, so they exploded. Every other character else was sleeping... So I think he just fell asleep at the wrong time.
That seems very plausible, kingvolta. Just a tragic accident. What I like about this film is even though the characters are drug users you may like them by the end of the film. So I found it sad that the Cook lost his life. This is a very unique film and I would love to see a sequel, but how can you do it without the cook (i.e. supplier)? And of course, knowing there most likely won't be a sequel makes this film all the more unique.
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i believe that he mixed the wrong chemicals together that leaded to the explosion.
shareHmm. Interesting. What went on in that little trailer? Using care but accident thus BLAM!? Careless thus BLAM!? Suicide thus BLAM!? One too many BLAM!s for the financer thus booby trap and one last BLAM!?
Awesome film. Cameos. And I love John's and Peter's work. No giant leap for me to go with genre = Comedy. Hilarious film. Unlike The Salton Sea with Val Kilmer as the tweaker which I would go with genre = Drama with awesome plot surprise.
i made the same conclusion that someone else did, with the whole montage of people sleeping i just assumed that the cook, who had probably been up on the stuff for days, maybe weeks, had gotten a bit clumsy and tired and BLAM. either way he was a *beep* excellent character, rourke is quickly becoming one of my most revered actors.
shareUnreal that so many people think it was a suicide.
IT WAS SO OBVIOUSLY NOT A SUICIDE!!! DOH!!!
THERE WAS NO CONNECTION TO THE GAY GUY GIVING HIM ANYTHING TO CAUSE A SUICIDE!!!
The gay guy bailed him out of jail, paid for a bunch of stuff with cash, and gave him all the things for him to setup shop again.
I think most speed freaks or ex-tweakers can completely relate with this film, the cook was merely setting up shop in a new locale and blew himself up on accident.
Also, when the cook went to jail it was for assaulting the porn store owner and posession of speed if anything, it was NOT for cooking meth in the motel ... as he ran away from that and was taken to jail for assaulting the porn store owner.
So the cook was NOT looking at years behind bars, since what he was taken to jail for was relatively minor compared to cooking meth.
The gay dude was probably getting rid of him because he was getting too sloppy but the explanation that he made a mistake and blew himself up is just as plausible.
BTW, the cops stated THAT THEY HAD THE PERP referring to the blown up motel room so you're incorrect about him JUST going to jail for assaulting the clerk.
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First off, it wouldn't have been lighter fluid, lighter fluid(nonpolar solvent) is just used as a wash at the end of the process, he wouldn't have needed that much, and more likely would've used none at all. It was more likely anhydrous ammonia, which i have seen in an almost exactly the same container. I think he killed himself to save Ross, the others were falling asleep not because they had been up too long and couldn't stay up from it anymore, but because the cook was gone, spider mike put the rest of the supply in his arm, the southsider wasn't welcome anymore, so there was none left around. The cook WOULD NOT have fallen asleep cooking, you can stay up on *beep* indefinately, and if that was going to happen he would've got the guy who fronted him the cash and chemicals to kick him down with something so he could get the first batch going. I think the cook saw what was going on because of him, and it wasn't really getting him anywhere. He never would've gotten beyond being a dope cook in some random town with some random trick. He's not the same kind of tweaker as rest of them, he's more mature and smart. Those kind of tweakers tend to get philosophical after being awake 5+ days. He finally fully realized what he had become and that it was deep rooted in his consciousness because of his experiences as a child, narrowed it down to one point in time that it all began, and expressed it to the one person in the world he could bring himself to open up to, the pussy who would'nt have the balls to tell anyone even if he was awake to hear what the cook was saying. I don't really have a way to end this, it's just how i see it.
P.S. "a nice batch of glass..the nice pure meth."
rofl. being "glass" has nothing to do with purity, it just means someone took the time to recrystalize it.
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Have to hand it to timvansickel for providing the most bizarro theories on how/why the cook killed himself of the lot.
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I think he killed himself to save Ross, the others were falling asleep not because they had been up too long and couldn't stay up from it anymore, but because the cook was gone, spider mike put the rest of the supply in his arm, the southsider wasn't welcome anymore, so there was none left around.
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To save ross huh? A guy he had known all of two days that he met through nikki. So you're pushing the 'compassionate tweaker' theme where he blows himself up to save the world. I can't think of anything more unlikely. The rest of this sentence is nonsensical and doesn't follow the logic of the film. Are you sure you saw the same movie as the rest of us? What do you mean the others were falling asleep because the cook was gone? Spider mike and mena suvari were in jail, so its not like they had a lot of options.
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The cook WOULD NOT have fallen asleep cooking, you can stay up on *beep* indefinately, and if that was going to happen he would've got the guy who fronted him the cash and chemicals to kick him down with something so he could get the first batch going.
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This shows how superficial your knowledge is about being a hardcore tweaker. You CANNOT stay up indefinitely on tweak and expect to function normally. After three days 10 minute tasks turn into hour long ordeals. Your mind is functioning most certainly at at least 10-15 IQ points LOWER. On day four you start losing your depth perception, where doing normal things like grabbing for doorknobs a foot further or before where it actually is. On day five, you start freezing up in the middle of conversation, completely forgetting what it is you were talking about and blanking out completely. All of these sorts of idiosyncracies are well known by seasoned tweakers, and most everything after day 3 stops being as fun merely because accomplishing simple tasks become monumental ordeals that take ten times longer to accomplish.
Also, after becoming a seasoned tweaker, as I'm sure the cook was, you've learned by then that its much to your benefit to sleep once in a while rather than staying up indefinitely, since the longer you stay up the more completely thrashed your body will feel when you finally do wakeup after falling asleep.
So in fact, it's more the easy to see how the cook could have made a simple mistake after being up for days since by day 5, your mind is pretty close to sludge even if you're body is wide awake from tweak.
You should also watch the movie again, since it was clear that after hooking up with The Man that he was kicked down something more since Ross was given another line as motivation by the cook to drive him into the city when he tried to explain that he was too tired to drive.
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I think the cook saw what was going on because of him, and it wasn't really getting him anywhere. He never would've gotten beyond being a dope cook in some random town with some random trick. He's not the same kind of tweaker as rest of them, he's more mature and smart.
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Is there anything in the movie to support these flash in the pan fantasies of yours? So he's that much more 'mature' and 'smart' but not 'mature' or 'smart' enough to being anything more than a dope cook? Uh ok. Now lets get real. If he were that 'mature' and 'smart', he could have easily realized that as a cook he's in the position of making a truckload of cash and could use it to get out of the lifestyle after his next mother batch. He had options. Or maybe he's not as 'mature' and 'smart' as you claim.
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Those kind of tweakers tend to get philosophical after being awake 5+ days.
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Those kinds of tweakers huh? You've obviously never been one of 'those' kinds of tweakers and know nothing about that which you purport. See my above comments on being awake for 5+ days. Thinking at all is not much of an option at 5+ days.
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He finally fully realized what he had become and that it was deep rooted in his consciousness because of his experiences as a child, narrowed it down to one point in time that it all began, and expressed it to the one person in the world he could bring himself to open up to, the pussy who would'nt have the balls to tell anyone even if he was awake to hear what the cook was saying.
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One more thing I should add to your education is that being a hardcore tweaker does not lend itself well to the emotions you're speaking of, namely 'EMPATHY'.
There's a reason why nazi's like hitler could take vast quantities of speed and so easily become ruthless killing machines. The liklihood of the cook having an ephinany that what he was doing was evil and deciding to blow himself up to save those around him are about as likely as the possibility that hitler had an ephinany and shot himself to save the rest of the world from himself, and not because he realized he had lost the war.
In other words, it didn't happen.
"To save ross huh? A guy he had known all of two days that he met through nikki. So you're pushing the 'compassionate tweaker' theme where he blows himself up to save the world. I can't think of anything more unlikely. The rest of this sentence is nonsensical and doesn't follow the logic of the film. Are you sure you saw the same movie as the rest of us? What do you mean the others were falling asleep because the cook was gone? Spider mike and mena suvari were in jail, so its not like they had a lot of options."
Not *just* Ross retard. Try the 1 in 12 people under the age of 18 that will try it, and whatever percentage of those that will get in way over their heads.
"This shows how superficial your knowledge is about being a hardcore tweaker. You CANNOT stay up indefinitely on tweak and expect to function normally. After three days 10 minute tasks turn into hour long ordeals. Your mind is functioning most certainly at at least 10-15 IQ points LOWER. On day four you start losing your depth perception, where doing normal things like grabbing for doorknobs a foot further or before where it actually is. On day five, you start freezing up in the middle of conversation, completely forgetting what it is you were talking about and blanking out completely. All of these sorts of idiosyncracies are well known by seasoned tweakers, and most everything after day 3 stops being as fun merely because accomplishing simple tasks become monumental ordeals that take ten times longer to accomplish."
This shows how superficial your knowledge is about being a hardcore tweaker. I know a guy who stayed up for 28 days straight. Not too long after that, he had a stroke and an aneurism, spent 14 days in a coma, four years in a wheelchair, and now, 13 years later, still cannot speak in full sentences and cannot walk without a cane. That is beside the point. The point is, this movie is supposed to have been over the span of 3 days, based on the sunrise and sunset scenes i'd say it's more like five or six, very well within the limits of being able to stay awake, and i never said functioning normally, i actually specifically denoted that there was a change in mindset.
"The rest of this sentence is nonsensical and doesn't follow the logic of the film."
That was a reply to someone saying that the reason they were falling asleep was because they had been up way too long and the drug could not possibly keep them awake any longer, which is not true. 2 out of the how many people shown falling asleep at the end makes such a great example.
"Is there anything in the movie to support these flash in the pan fantasies of yours? So he's that much more 'mature' and 'smart' but not 'mature' or 'smart' enough to being anything more than a dope cook? Uh ok. Now lets get real. If he were that 'mature' and 'smart', he could have easily realized that as a cook he's in the position of making a truckload of cash and could use it to get out of the lifestyle after his next mother batch. He had options. Or maybe he's not as 'mature' and 'smart' as you claim. "
I never implied the cook wasn't smart enough to get past his circumstances. I implied that the world won't let him escape his circumstances. Chances are he would have no proof of identification, which is required to get a normal job. You'd be surprised how hard it is to get ID when you have no proof of who you are. He also probably would have no formal education. Being educated, and having maturity and intelligence are two very different things, however you can't get a decent job without a diploma, and to match the income he'd be making, you'd at least need a masters degree. It doesn't matter how much money he had to get him on his feet, the money isn't legit. In order to clean that money, he'd have to put himself through a just as stressful and just as illegal activity, losing quite a bit of the money on the way.
"Those kinds of tweakers huh? You've obviously never been one of 'those' kinds of tweakers and know nothing about that which you purport. See my above comments on being awake for 5+ days. Thinking at all is not much of an option at 5+ days."
Someone who doesn't think thoughts are possible after 5 days awake shouldn't be telling me what i do and do not know, or what i have and have not seen.
"One more thing I should add to your education is that being a hardcore tweaker does not lend itself well to the emotions you're speaking of, namely 'EMPATHY'."
Hail to the omnipotent diety that has met everyone ever who has been strung out on dope. You should really start turning down any yellow powders, puke green crystals, and anything that turns blue when you melt it.
Timvansickel angrily retorts, using a familiar epithet often hurled at him by his mom since nascency:
"Not *just* Ross retard. Try the 1 in 12 people under the age of 18 that will try it, and whatever percentage of those that will get in way over their heads."
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Wow, with figures like that swimming around in his head, who wouldn't blow themselves up in a blaze of glory? My bad on this one, I had overestimated you.
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Timvansickel's unimaginative defense:
"This shows how superficial your knowledge is about being a hardcore tweaker."
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Perhaps repeating verbatim what I had written of you demonstrates the height of your creative rhetoric, but unfortunately for you it's pitifully ineffective when I support my statement with firsthand knowledge, and you attempt to counter with regurgitated tweaker fable.
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Timvansickel's world of fiction that he attempts to pass off as fact:
"I know a guy who stayed up for 28 days straight. Not too long after that, he had a stroke and an aneurism, spent 14 days in a coma, four years in a wheelchair, and now, 13 years later, still cannot speak in full sentences and cannot walk without a cane. That is beside the point."
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Your pointless drivel being besides the point, I wonder if it's anything more than a mere coincidence that I heard precisely the exact same story countlessly repeated through the revered halls of infamous raver lore. Wow, you must be pretty special to know this guy, you mean that you were his pet meth gopher and were around to verify that he was up all 28 days straight without dozing off once? You cried at his bedside while he was in a coma? You pushed him around in a wheelchair for four years and suffered through his verbal gibberish for 13 years while trying to prop him up and act as his translator? That's some pretty selfless stuff. So selfless in fact, that I think it's pretty safe to assume that none of the above happened. Whereas I'm speaking from personal experience and what is accepted as common knowledge in tweaker culture from a past I'm not particularly proud of, you offer up a regurgitated foaf 'up for 28 days and got an aneurysm' fairytale. So do us all a favor and leave your pointless drivel out of it, unless your point is in fact to confirm that you know nothing of which you speak. As revealing as that might be, it's still been regurgitated Ad Nauseum.
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TimVanSickel's illogical point #1:
"The point is, this movie is supposed to have been over the span of 3 days, based on the sunrise and sunset scenes i'd say it's more like five or six, very well within the limits of being able to stay awake, and i never said functioning normally, i actually specifically denoted that there was a change in mindset."
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Damn, I don't remember the part in the movie where we see the cook get out of bed after a night's rest and start his day job of cooking meth. Okay, I'm starting to get it, after having been subjected to your empty form of argumentation over the course of a few messages, that you're simply not that smart since your arguments aren't grounded in reality. There's timvansickel's world, in which the cook was up for 3-6 days which in his mind makes him perfectly capable of cooking meth without blowing himself up. Then there's the reality of the movie itself, in which we have no idea how long the cook had been up, but based on logic and empiricism can assume that as a meth cook he's very likely had very little sleep. We also know from empirical facts, that cooks blowing themselves up in meth lab incidents is a common enough occurrence that its been declared by the government as an occupational hazard. As far as cooks blowing themselves up to save the world from themselves, in timvansickel's world makes perfect sense and is in fact MORE likely to happen than cooks blowing themselves up on accident. However for the rest of us living in reality, such notions are nothing short of absurd. I should also point out that in timvansickel's world, Hitler killed himself to save the world from himself, and not because he realized he had lost the war.
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TimVanSickel's illogical point #2:
"Chances are he would have no proof of identification, which is required to get a normal job. You'd be surprised how hard it is to get ID when you have no proof of who you are. He also probably would have no formal education. Being educated, and having maturity and intelligence are two very different things, however you can't get a decent job without a diploma, and to match the income he'd be making, you'd at least need a masters degree. It doesn't matter how much money he had to get him on his feet, the money isn't legit."
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Wow, the more timvansickel types, the more he gives away of himself as a simple minded peasant. Certainly, with such naive ideas of what it takes to make money, the cook would certainly be doomed to fail. Perhaps you're from a 3rd world country like Bolivia, or some socialistic country in the eastern bloc attempting to overcome the controlled markets of communism. However here in the US of A, that's not the way it works. In this country, there are plenty of people with no formal education that are making wads of cash. Simple mom and pop shops on the corner block can net millions of dollars. Gang members imprisoned most of their lives with a 6th grade education get out of incarceration and start their own landscaping business and make scads. There are far too numerous rags to riches real world examples to count, but TV shows in my country retell the stories on a daily basis. It's also been known as the American Dream. There are numerous rap moguls in my country that started their labels with dirty money from slinging. I'm approaching this from a standpoint of you being somewhat of a simpleton so I'm having to explain things to you that someone of at least average intelligence would take for granted, but alas, it seems nature did you no such favors.
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TimVanSickel's dimwit fallacy #3:
"In order to clean that money, he'd have to put himself through a just as stressful and just as illegal activity, losing quite a bit of the money on the way."
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Again, your lack of understanding of how businesses, finances, and taxes work in the US of A is quite comical. If the illegal activity is ceased, evidence destroyed, and cash invested in startup costs (which also has the dual benefit of acting as a writeoff) guess what the chance of getting busted is idiot boy?
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That's right chump. Time to stop using Scarface as your resource for the risks of cleaning money in America. Furthermore, you're trying to compare the almost negligible risk of a one time investment into a legitimate business with the prodigal recklessness of continuing an illegal activity indefinitely while surrounded by tweakers immersed in meth culture? Please. The sheer illogic of your arguments is as stupefyingly boundless as your mind is spartanly simple.
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TimVanSickel's stupendously poor attempt to appear clever and backfires #1:
"Someone who doesn't think thoughts are possible after 5 days awake shouldn't be telling me what i do and do not know, or what i have and have not seen."
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Uh, more like someone who's never been there himself and has demonstrated nothing but simple minded naivety and a propensity to grasp at pie in the sky fantasy as if it made perfect, logical sense in the real world should do likewise.
BTW, no one needs to explain for you what you do and do not know, or what you have or have not seen. Your idiocy by way of your poorly reasoned arguments, infantile assumptions, and stories of farcical absurdity you attempt to pass off as fact broadcasts your Lilliputian intellect and feculent grasp of reality FAR more effectively than anything I could ever type.
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TimVanSickel's stupendously poor attempt at witticism that backfires #2:
"Hail to the omnipotent diety that has met everyone ever who has been strung out on dope."
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When in comparison to you? I suppose in comparison to you I am rather the omnipotent deity, and that this might be the only thing even remotely resembling accuracy in all the drivel you've posted thus far, even if your original intention was disingenuous and you don't know how to spell it.
But at least you finally got something (sans spelling) right!
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TimVanSickel's stupendously poor attempt that blows up in his own face #3:
"You should really start turning down any yellow powders, puke green crystals, and anything that turns blue when you melt it."
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Thanks for the advice but seriously, when considering that in comparison to you and by your own Freudian slip, I'm the omnipotent deity and you've revealed yourself to be nothing more than a village idiot whose flimsy arguments tend to vaporize in a poof of logic ... coming from you I'd have to say "no thanks'.
I hate to break it to you but without credibility anything you might say, including what you intended to be insulting, actually isn't.
P.S. FYI, too bad for you but try as you might; dropping Shulgin's name in no way redeems your piss poor logic.
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Glass is not a freebase, any crystalized dope is a hydrochloride salt. Freebase methamphetamine is a light yellow oily liquid, usually referred to as honey. Just about any ish you can buy is a hydrochloride salt. Recrystalizing any kind of methampetamine hydrochloride is not that hard of a process, i believe it's actually detailed in Dr. Alexander Shulgin's Phenethylamines I Have Known and Loved. Something by him anyway.
shareTimvansickel The Cook was not making a heap of money, the Eric Roberts character was. The Cook was just a muppet producing the stuff for him.
It was an accident, not suicide.