Cliche ridden movie


Is it even possible anymore to make a cop movie without it being full of all these silly cliches(no matter how true they may be)filling the screen instead of a good story line and decent dialouge. In this movie we have 1) the self-righteous alcoholic cop, 2)the minority superior officer out to right all the racial wrongs in the dept.,3) the rookie who sees the light in the end, 4) the wife who has put up with crap for years and has had enough. With such a socially relevent background as the Rodney King beating and the LA riots this could have been a much better movie.

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Plus every 5 minutes someone was saying "This cities gunna BURN."

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>>>Is it even possible anymore to make a cop movie without it being full of all these silly cliches(no matter how true they may be)filling the screen instead of a good story line and decent dialouge. In this movie we have 1) the self-righteous alcoholic cop, 2)the minority superior officer out to right all the racial wrongs in the dept.,3) the rookie who sees the light in the end, 4) the wife who has put up with crap for years and has had enough. With such a socially relevent background as the Rodney King beating and the LA riots this could have been a much better movie.<<<

You know, it has gotten to a point where saying something is "cliche" is cliche itself. If you think the things you have stated above are cliche then you probably feel the same way about most of the films that come out these days.

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OK this is urgent ... in the scene where kurt russell is talking to the swat leader, Rico whats the name of the actor with the salt and pepper hair standing near Rico whos like his second in command. Ive seen him in Clear and Present Danger as well. If anyone could reply very soon it would be greatly appreciated.

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The name of the actor is Peter Weireter and he is credited as "SWAT Leader" on this site.

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Peter Wiereter is a real life LAPD officer, who does a lot of technical consulting. You can look him up on this site.

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You know, it has gotten to a point where saying something is "cliche" is cliche itself. If you think the things you have stated above are cliche then you probably feel the same way about most of the films that come out these days. <<*************good point. every story line becomes a cliche sooner or later, which explains some of these corny movies we have out now with unrealistic story lines. in the late 80's early 90's movies like this were just starting to hit the screen, e.g. boys n tha hood, juice, colors, ect. 10 years later these story lines have been done to death. all movies are a cliche in their own way.

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That's why Hollywood is marketing so many crap remakes these days. You and me buy them. Well, I'm going for more South Korean films instead, as they seem a little more inspired...

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Saighton nails it. These kinds of films have been done to death, so there's really no new direction to take. There's even the two cops secretly sleeping together right out of a soap opera. What does it for you is the performances, if actors can bring something new to a set of cliches. I felt they did a pretty decent job, esp. Russell.

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Backwards ASses

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The story was a bit overdone, but the acting was great! The scene where Russell is sitting alone contemplating life is probably the best subtext acting I've ever seen.

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I've just seen the movie, and thought it was `great´.
I mean the story is cliche, but it´s not sweet with a happy ending. It´s just all rotten. I think it shows how rotten and double sided everything is. Way better than Training Day.
Performances were good aswell. Especially Kurt Russell.
The special effects, the gun fights, the riots. It wasn´t like `oh come on that´s *beep*
Gave it a 7/10 and didn´t regret watching it.

PS The point about most movies being cliche´s nowadays is true. But even among those movies some are good to watch.

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The original poster made a good post - there's too much stuff we've seen before in this movie as far as character struggles, etc. when there could have been a lot that we hadn't (i.e. more about the cultural climate and fallout of the Rodney King incident). The writers did a good job of keeping the incident in the memory of viewers throughout the movie, but I think there could have been a lot more about the actual fallout and the nuances as far as how it affected the characters. Even on a simple action level, I was really hoping that more of the movie would have taken place DURING the actual riots.

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Hmm, jackasses.

South Korean movies. Really. How much of a toolbox elitist do you have to be before you say "I'm done with Hollywood, American movies are crap, I'm gonna stick with the smallest possible venue from a country that just barely isn't still pounding its food on rocks."

You think Hollywood is uninspired because it's familiar. When you've seen 1/3rd of the South Korean movies out there, you'll have realized that most of them are the same stories that they've been telling for generations, that haven't been circulated to America.

And instead of actually trying to look for something to disect, maybe expand your mind a little bit, you go with the shallowest possible interpretation of a movie under the mask of what you call "deep."

A cliche becomes a cliche because it's powerful, because it's meaningful, because it's the truth. Bet you'll never guess where a majority of the cliche phrases that people use originate. Give up? Dude named Bill, last name Shakespeare. Thing that people forget about cliches is that they start out loved.

So people love a good character flaw, and alcoholism happens to be pretty predominant in America because it's legal. Alcoholism breaks up marriages. That's two of your cliche's right there. What else you got? Personally, I thought the "rookie" perspective was the most important one. He's the moral ruler on which we judge the rest of the characters. And Ving Raimes's character . . .

Here Let's just try this. Let's get rid of all these cliches as you put it. Eldon goes home to a happy marriage every night, while politely murdering people for his boss, Jack, every day. Bobby's a seasoned cop rather than a rookie, and gleefully joins Eldon in dispatching anyone Jack, the corrupt superior, says. Ving Raimes's character doesn't exist at all, since you can't deal with someone from a minority bringing up race relations, and instead is replaced by a squirrelly spineless ratfink slice of whitebread who doesn't really care how bad race relations are in the LAPD.

Mmmkay, what just happened to the plot? Eldon and Bobby didn't bat an eyelash when Jack told them to frame and murder those two ex-cons, so they go home, lay low, and have a drink--Something non-alcoholic though, no doubt! No one's bringing up race relations in the middle of the Rodney King riots. Oh my, that movie sounds like a HOOT! BedbugEddie, you should write screenplays you should!

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3) the rookie who sees the light in the end

The "redeemed" rookie gets killed at the end. That's not very cliche.

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I fully agreee- Speedman's death was fully unexpected, as was the fatc that Orchard (the black killer) was arrested, not shot. I too am sick of thew marriage scenes (just dont show them, we know if you out killin muthauffers all day you aint gonna be too much fun to spend evenings with), but overall the film did cover a little new ground, I gave it a 7..

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Thanks for the spoiler, you f@#$ing moron.

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You can't be serious? You come to a message board and thread titled "Cliche ridden movie" and you expect no spoilers? You sir are an idiot and troll. Go back and hide under your bridge.

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This is not a cliche ridden movie at all. This is an underrated movie.

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