then sure as hell Kurt should get one for this film. I just viewed it today and was more impressed with Kurt's performance than I was with Denzel's. I like Kurt Russell. Some of my favorite films have had him in a leading role.
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Yeah, I think Russell gave a real powerhouse performance here. At least a nomination to an award should be given to him.
shareJust say that I agree with your posts. Kurt Russel was outstanding in this one. Maybe he's not as respected as an actor, since so many of his films have been action movies, I don't know...
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kurt definitely deserved a nomination for this powerful performance. truth is, i never even LIKED kurt russell until i seen this movie. but overall, i think denzel was a bit better than kurt.
shareKurt Russell gave a powerful performance in this movie, but the thing is, Denzel didn't really get an Oscar "for" Training Day. They gave him the Oscar that year because he got snubbed a couple years ago for The Hurricane. It's like the same deal with Russell Crowe winning Best Actor for Gladiator. He didn't really deserve an Oscar for Gladiator but they gave it to him because he got snubbed a year ago for not winning one for The Insider........
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And, the same year, the Oscar Board was leaning towards giving Best Actor to Russell Crowe for "A Beautiful Mind", but after his activities in a barroom brawl, they decided not to support his behavior by giving him the Oscar. I love Denzel Washington, but Training Day is not my favorite performance. (He was good, but out of all of his great performances he gets the oscar for this one?) I thought Ethan Hawke carried the movie better than him. Back to Dark Blue: this is the best performance by Kurt Russell, one of the best performances of any actor in any role I've ever seen. I would give him the Oscar for sure for this role. In the director commentary on the DVD, Ron Shelton acknowledges that this is the performance of a lifetime for Kurt and at the same time it's just not the kind of role that lands one an Oscar. What a shame...
shareOf course Kurt Russel should get an Oscar for his outstanding performance. Denzel Washington is great in Training Day, and he is a very good actor, but Kurt Russel definently derserves an Oscar for his role as Eldon Perry. He sure does!! It's absolutly one of his best performances ever.
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IMO russel crowe gives the best performance ever given by an actor or actress in a beautiful mind ,but he didn't win the oscar because he punched a photographer at an earlier film festival .IMO denzel completely overacted in training day and isn't as good as russel crowe
shareThere was a lot of talk about a black actor and actress never having won Best Actor/Actress that year when Washington and Berry were nominated as well.
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There was a lot of talk about a black actor and actress never having won Best Actor/Actress that year when Washington and Berry were nominated as well.
Well that talk would have been halfway inaccurate, because Denzel was not the first black actor to win the best actor award. The first black male to win that award was the great Sidney Poitier. There just had not been a previous best actress won by a black female. The talk was that it had been decades since Sidney had won his last award.
For me, Training Day just didn't do it for me. I really like Denzel, this just to me wasn't one of his greatest. I think Malcolm X was one of his best, Devil In a Blue Dress, Man on Fire (though the movie is a remake, he pulled the heart strings in that performance, and the character was a flawed character)... etc.
I preferred the Kurt Russell dirty cop performance over the DW dirty cop performance. I can't quite put my finger on what it is about TD that I didn't like, but someday, I'll figure it out.
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Reasons/B.S. reasons Denzel won:
1) Crowe had already won for Gladiator.
2) Crowe's brawl was bad publicity, but I don't think that would have swayed the individual voters
3) Halle Berry was guaranteed best actress in a powerhouse performance. She's black (actually half-white and apparently closer with that half of her family) but still people see her a black woman and given that there was some buzz for Denzel, it just seemed perfect for them to both win in the same year.
4) As a 'sorry' for not getting it for Hurricane, like others said.
And as for why Kurt was ignored; Dark Blue bombed. Granted, it was on a modest $15 million budget, but it bombed even so. Training Day was a hit. It was more profitable ratings and ad price wise for Denzel to be pushed rather than Kurt Russell. Also Russell is seen more as a B-actor that gets A-actor publicity sometimes. Think about his movies. They're mostly B-movies. The few big budget films he's been a part of BOMBED (like Soldier).
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Agreed. Denzel is a tremendous actor, without a doubt, but Russell's performance here beats Denzel's performance by a mile.
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Kurt such an underated actor but it doesnt bother him look at his greatest films and performances
Elvis
1980 Used Cars
Escape from New York
The Thing
Silkwood
Big Trouble in little china
Unlawful entry
Tombstone
Escape From L.A
Breakdown
1998/I Soldier
Miracle
Dark Blue
2005 Dreamer: Inspired by a True Story
Death Proof
(Kurt Russell,1996, on being part of the Hollywood community) At times I take great pride in it. But most of the time I'm completely ashamed of it, especially on the night of the Academy Awards. It's the one night of the year where I just want to crawl in a hole and hide. It's a bit like standing shoulder-to-shoulder with *beep* Mike Nichols and I were talking about politics once and he said, "The thing is, you can't stand shoulder-to-shoulder with *beep* And he's right. I can't. What's interesting about Oscar night is it's a joke-it's about how bad everything is. Everybody knows that that's the night to applaud Hollywood in all its horror. And yet...There's no other business that can create such enjoyment of life as this business. I love being part of that. Actors have changed my life at times. When people get to know me, I can't tell you how many times they come up to me and say, "You're nothing like what I've read about." I think people feel me more than they hear me. I've read interviews I've done and it's exactly what I've said but it's not what I was saying. I have an acerbic, sardonic sense of humor. I'm being facetious 90 percent of the time, but then 10 percent of the time I'm not. So unless I was to qualify everything I say, I'm not going to be understood.
OMG - loving that quote! I knew he wasn't an Academy member and have looked a couple of times to find him comment on his feelings about the Oscars but was unsuccessful.
He obviously doesn't take the same roles and types of films as, say, Daniel Day Lewis (thank god) but, even if he did, he just isn't going to get an award. He's every bit as good, probably better (just more subtle), imo, but he doesn't play the game. Makes me like him all the more.
That's not a crack on Daniel. He's a fine actor but I admire Kurt more for taking movies he has a personal interest in or because he thinks it's something the fans will appreciate. He's never been on a quest for a statue. He works hard, puts in a great performance, and enjoys his life. Probably somebody that you could enjoy having a beer with even if he were your next door neighbor. I doubt that's true of many people in the industry.
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Kurt's performance in this was really great. But he was also hurt by a not so competent director, generally weak script at times, and jesus, who was the cinematographer on this thing? who was the composer? Thumbs down in those sectors as well. Dark Blue isn't a bad film. It's just okay. Too many cliches and weak first forty minutes.
shareI agree with the majority here, Kurt was AWESOME in here and gave a great performance, same with Ving Rhames, I thought they should've gotten something for this movie. At least a nomination, even Nine was up for some Oscars and it BOMBED horribly in theaters. Why couldn't this film get a nom for Russell & Rhames' performances?
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