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Hated how Longstreet was portrayed


The writing (or Boxlightner) made Longsteet sound stupid and unintelligent in this movie. I know that Berenger passed on it, but I wonder if he read the script, saw the writing, and passed on it for that reason. It was at Fredericksburg that Longstreet invented the "Traverse Trench", the forerunners of the trenches used in WW1. When Longstreet invited Jackson to inspect his lines in January of 1863, Jackson saw those trenches and immediately when back to his lines and had his soldiers build them. Longstreet was a brilliant soldier, not a defeatist as he was portrayed in this movie.

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Trenches of all kinds have been used in warfare since time immemorial ... I doubt that any general or engineer or person had anything much innovative to add to military trench building/engineering by the time of the civil war.

If they thought any kind of trench was 'new' it will more likely have been because it was forgotten about since ...

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That doesn't sound quite right to me. Mining and sapping were used going back to the construction of stone castles, but it seems to me that entrenchments were decidedly unusual until long after the introduction of cannon and lighter gunpowder/black powder weapons. Fortifications did not include trenches. Even during the Napoleonic Wars entrenchment was not used. Due to the short engagement distances entrenching would restrict movement and entrenching during the Napoleonic Wars or before could well seal the entrenching army's doom.

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18th century siege-craft against fortifications often involved the digging of trenches in order to bring up artillery pieces closer. The same applied to bringing up men and troops to carry out assaults on the fortified places.

Don't let the general lack of long sieges against fortified places during the Napoleonic and French Revolutionary Wars distract from the countless wars of the princes during the 18th century against Vauban style fortifications, nor from the religious wars in the 16th century in the Low Countries or during the 80 years war of rebellion against the Spanish crown ending in 1648 with formal recognition of the United Provinces.

During that war, Antwerp in 1584-1585 as just once instance was besieged with a multitudes of breastworks, bulwarks, redoubts, artillery emplacements and trenches around the city.

To be fair, trenches into the ground were not always dug as such, but above ground trenches were constructed using all kinds of materials from packed earth, building rubble, woven wickets and so on ... but still, high trenches or low trenches, the principle is the same and they were used extensively.

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I have read of fascines and other temporary breastworks, but that is not the same as trenches. By definition, entrenchment means digging into the ground. However, I admit that this is a matter of semantics and could be argued as a quibble. I do agree in the sense of temporary fortification it is a distinction that makes little or no difference.

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