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What a load of manipulative rubbish


By the end of this movie I was so moved I wanted to throw up. I know we live in politically correct times but please, A 7 year old girl needs more than a mentally retarded man and his similarly disabled friends to look after her, but of course anyone who wants the best for the girl in his film's world is painted as "bad" with horns and a pitchfork. I felt sorry for that poor foster mother played by Laura Dern, who surely could have done a better job. In the courtroom scene at the end, I bet there was plenty of cracking up between takes with the mawkish dialogue everybody had to utter. This film is so out of touch with reality. And as for Penn's acting, well it was more of an impression than a performance, and thank God he didn't win the Oscar. "Sam" isn't a person, hes a multi-corporate made up of bits from other movies of what Hollywood thinks handicapped people behave like, from Rain Man to My Left Foot. That's it, I'm off to watch something decent, like Ghost World. Now that's a movie, not a cliche-ridden disaster like this sentimental garbage.

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anxiety...

Having just seen this movie, I thought I'd drop in to see if anyone had anything of interest to say about it. This particular thread sounded as if it might offer something along those lines. Unfortunately it degenerated into one which amounts to no more than attacks on the posters themselves, rather than an attempt to come to grips with what the movie was about. And I think you played a significant role in that result. But I would like to turn the page and direct attention to your criticism that "This film is so out of touch with reality." (With respect to your opinions about the actors, I can't say they are worth commenting on and leads me to believe your opinion of the movie affected your opinions of the actors.)

Before I get to that, I should comment on one thing where you've shown your bias that Foster Care would be "best for the child" in cases like this. I think you failed to appreciate that this particular foster care arrangement came to a different conclusion. Thus, I don't see why you would feel sorry for her. Indeed, the movie didn't take a negative view of foster care at all. This is a minor point, since your overarching view is that the state would not have sided with Sam and this movie was unrealistic on that basis. (Thus, your argument is not so much that it should not have sided with Sam (which, of course, would be your opinion), but (presumably based on your experience with cases like this) they wouldn't.)

First, the movie was based on the real experience in the lives of Down Symptom folks derived from numerous visits to L.A. Goal, which is an organization that knows, on an intimate basis, the real-life experiences of these folks and what they are capable of and not capable of. According to them, the movie did not sugar-coat these realities.

Second, you seem to think that the state would, in general, using shelters, foster care and/or subsequent adoption, succeed in providing a better environment than anything that could be provided by Sam (or any other with his syndrome). This is problematic. To be sure, when the state gets involved, the number one consideration is "protection" of the child, presumably from some abusive parent. This model drives the state to take extreme measures to determine whether the parent should regain custody, despite that the law requires them to return the child as the first option. Thus, the parent has to go through considerable hoops to win that return. Any deviation winds up as a potential risk in returning the child. For that reason, I think, the state winds up denying the return more than they are able to realistically place. This results in overcrowding and otherwise poor conditions in shelters, as well as solicitous foster care, which do it solely for financial reasons (and to make others believe they are doing something wonderful). (Of course, this isn't always the case, but where there are incentives, such things happen.)

It used to be that parents (or a parent) would have two years to show they are good parents deserving the return (and this is probably still the case for older children -- though if they do return, it doesn't mean that their time away from their parent has actually been best for them, but, if I'm right it was Hillary Clinton who reduced that time to 6-months for infants, in order to be able to make them more adoptable). My daughter went through that difficult process with her children and did in fact regain custody, but it was touch and go and makes you wonder whether the state should have all that control over our children. Though we saw for ourselves that there were abusive and uncaring parents and didn't really care that the state took away their sons and daughters (indeed, they may even have been gratified that they did), there were also many cases where parents had to fight like hell to try to regain custody. In such cases, it is an extraordinary ordeal that I wouldn't wish on anyone.

Since you apparently speak from experience, it would have helped had you learned something from it, since what you've written doesn't actually demonstrate it.

James

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I'm sure it's been discussed, but Lucy did end up living with the foster family.

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No, Sam came to an agreement with them as he said that Lucy needed a mother.

And he's right, she will need a mother particularly when she gets older.

Obi-Wan is my hero!

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That's it, I'm off to watch something decent, like Ghost World


*cough* Well, that says everything I need to know about your mental capacity.

Go take a step outside - see what’s shaking in the real world.

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This is Hollywood, not reality. A lot of critics had the same reaction as the person who started this thread. However, if they fashioned the screenplay after real-life custody cases involving mentally handicapped parents, it would be too depressing for general movie-going audiences. It wouldn't sell. Was the story "realistic"? No. Did Penn develop a sympathetic character? Yes. Was the film well-written and directed? I think so. I'm not usually a fan of tear-jerker movies, but I enjoyed this one. I do resent Michael Jackson, who owns the Beatles catalog, for demanding $300 grand apiece for the songs. Use of the originals in "Sam" would have, if anything, generated more sales of Beatles recordings. But what can we expect from Jacko!

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One of the things I got out of this movie was it was a conflict between the whole-hearted LOVE of Sam for Lucy against a system that was rather harsh and clinical. The authorities say they have "the best interests of the child", and you have to argue Sam DID need a little help in raising Lucy, but couldn't they have given him that support and not separated them?

Do they realise how traumatising it is, for both parent and child, to be separated like that? It rends the heart of any parent to be forcibly kept away from a child.

Obi-Wan is my hero!

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I was having problems to find a good expression to this movie: "sentimental garbage" seems good to me.

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