I hate this show.


No Barry Allen and Hal Jordan camaraderie, instead we got that buffoon Wally West and stiff as a board John Stewart.

Superman is a big wuss half the time.

Aquaman is cast aside as a founding member for Hawkgirl. Really? Hawkgirl?

And of course Bruce Timm manages to kiss Bat-ass every chance he gets.

I feel sorry for Millenials who grew up thinking this was the Justice League.

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It hates you back, watchman. It hates you back.

Can't stop the signal.

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It does. I can feel it.

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And of course Bruce Timm manages to kiss Bat-ass every chance he gets.


Unless it's Hawkgirl flying him out of a burning building.

Or Supes saying, "Bruce...you're not always right."

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You can't compare this show to the old comic books. They are two totally different breeds of cats. My favorite novels are the Spenser ones written by Robert B. Parker. But the show Spenser: For Hire has a totally different tone than the books. In fact you had to dummy it down for tv. Doesn't mean I don't enjoy them both. I prefer the books, but I can still watch the show. Just as long as I remember that one is apples and the other is oranges.

The quality of mercy is not strained

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You have a point, but to use your cat metaphor, I would have taken this particular cat to the local animal shelter and had it put to sleep or maybe had an Old Yeller moment with it. 

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That's good. That just means you hate quality.

Officially Canadian for 26 years. Never heard "aboot."

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John Stewart is definitely better than Hal Jordan. I liked Wally West better than Barry Allen in this series.

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There's a great scene in the final episode of Season 2 where Batman is trying to sacrifice himself to bring down the Watchtower on the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, er, I mean on the hyperspace bypass generator, and just before the heat of reentry burns him up, Superman smashes through the Watchtower wall and whisks Batman away to safety. Afterward Superman says, "Always have to be the hero, don't you?" and Batman says, "Right back at you." I love the scene. It's one of the first times that we see that Batman, for all his arrogance, has really developed respect for Superman. Timm produced Justice League in a world that had left behind the friendship of Batman and Superman we saw in the Silver Age (and the Golden Age too, for that matter) and had suffered through the revolution of Frank Miller's fascist Superman thug. I think Timm really squared the circle by showing Batman come to respect Superman rather than keeping the Miller-inspired anti-Superman attitude prevalent when Timm started Batman: The Animated Series. I think Timm helped set the stage for the outstanding Superman/Batman comic book series that ran from 2003 through 2011, which has some of the best material I've read over the course of half a century of comics.

They were going to have Aquaman but he was too busy drinking milk trying to make his beard grow. By the time it was grown out, they'd already cast Hawkgirl.

Seriously though, they just decided to be political and include another female superhero because one wasn't enough. At least by casting Hawkgirl they set up the whole hyperspace bypass homage to Hitchhiker plus set up Batman to finally need Superman for real. I mean they could have for someone good, like Supergirl or Powergirl, but then they'd have had two Kryptonians, and it's hard enough to challenge one. In fact Bruce Timm explained in a commentary on the first season of Justice League that the weak Superman was inadvertent, that he was trying to show that the episode's villain was SO dangerous that it could take out Superman before the opening credits. Later he made Superman more powerful. When Superman first encountered Worf, I mean Kalibak, in Father's Day, Superman could barely beat him, but by the time Kalibak showed up for a rematch in Legacy, Superman takes out Kalibak with one punch. Also by the time of Legacy, we see that Batman has lost the arrogance and knows that his best option for defeating Kalibak lies in delaying until Superman can arrive and defeat Kalibak.  Not for tast time

I really enjoyed the juxtaposition of the goofy Wally with the straight-arrow Marine Jon Stewart. Jon Stewart as a squared-away Marine too was a great upgrade from the horrible "Sambo" stereotype of the original Jon Stewart from 1971. Sure, selecting him was a political choice too, but that did good things with him like they ultimately did with Hawkgirl. In fact that did good things together.

I think it started as a good series that got great. I'm sorry that you didn't enjoy it more. Did you ever see the fight between Superman and Captain Atom at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju_h9KUju4w? It's great. There are some great fights with Darkseid too that really showcase Superman's power.

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