at the end of hell on earth: part 3, she puts the box in cement. Then the fourth is in outer space in 2217? how is that a sequal and if so, how did the box get from cement to outer space. And at the end of 3, they building that she stuck the box into had painting of the box on the walls and stuff. how all of that carried over in to the 4 film?
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Hellraiser: Bloodline does answer this question. The movie is in 3 parts really, following a family bloodline where the same actor plays three characters down through a family in different eras. The first is in France a couple hundred years ago and describes how a French toymaker created the puzzle box, and some demented French nobleman used it to trapped the fallen angel Angelique. That's why the box was already cursed in WWI or WWII or whenever that poor chap was sucked in an turned into Pinhead (as described in Hellraiser II & III).
The second part of Bloodline takes place directly after Hellraiser III. It deals with that building. Our hero is the descendant of the French toymaker and he's an architect. For a reason he doesn't understand, he is compelled to put designs into his building that resemble the puzzle box. Little does he know that it is because of his family connection to the French toymaker or possibly because of the presence of the puzzle box in the cement of the basement. Long story short, the puzzle box is chipped out of the cement, Pinhead creates some new Cenobites and kills Angelique. After this he is freed, I guess, where he goes on in the present to the subsequent sequels (Inferno, Hellseeker and whatever follows).
The third part of Bloodline takes place around 2200 AD and deals with yet another descendant of the French toymaker/American architect. He is somehow aware of all this history and realizes that only he as a descendant of the French toymaker can destroy Pinhead once and for all. Long story short, he has created a space station that folds itself like the puzzle box but in a manner which will somehow trap sunlight within it in a continuous loop because only the goodness of sunlight can somehow destroy Pinhead. Of course Pinhead gets loose and creates some more Cenobites but the good guys manage to convert the station and it explodes with light, I guess killing everyone but apparently destroying Pinhead for all time. Although this timeframe has not been followed up on yet, so who's to say if he was destroyed for sure?
I can answer it even easier than that!
Watch the second film again, there is more than *one* box. In addition, the boxes are not the only way to open the gates. I did read somewhere years ago (cannot remember exactly however) that a certain origami folding would have the same effect as solving the box, as would tying a knot in a particular way.
there are more than the one box and there are moree than boxes to summon cenobites
you see the origami box in hellseeker
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I don't think HR4 screws up the continuity at all. I thought it was a good movie in that it had a good story about how the box was made and how it cursed the French toymaker's bloodline until his great great great great great grandson destroys it. I think the reason most people bad mouth it is A) it happened in space, and B) it answers too many questions about the history of the box and seemingly killed Pinhead forever.
If there was ever a question about continuity, it would be "if the toymaker only made one box before his fingers were cut off, where did the other boxes we see in part three come from?"
But Bloodline is my favorite and part three was ridiculous.
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by - viggler (Fri Oct 31 2003 16:37:18 )
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I don't think HR4 screws up the continuity at all. I thought it was a good movie in that it had a good story about how the box was made and how it cursed the French toymaker's bloodline until his great great great great great grandson destroys it. I think the reason most people bad mouth it is A) it happened in space, and B) it answers too many questions about the history of the box and seemingly killed Pinhead forever.
If there was ever a question about continuity, it would be "if the toymaker only made one box before his fingers were cut off, where did the other boxes we see in part three come from?"
But Bloodline is my favorite and part three was ridiculous.
-Hellraiser 4 mentions something about angelique having the design copied.
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Paul stated it between the story of L'Merchant and John. Angelique made more boxes in an attempt to open the gateway forever, but only made more Laments (and possibly even more).
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That was just an obvious weak way to get around it though.
I honestly just can't see Bloodline as it exists as part of Hellraiser. It isn't the film Pete Atkins wanted, DOug Bradley wanted, Clive Barker wnated, even the director Kevin Yagher. It's a mess, created by the studio and Joe "Halloween 6" Chappell.
The original scrpted version that they filmed was much better in a lot of ways and made far more sense. And it left room for the comic continuity as well. The TRUE history of the Box is far mre interesting than the watered down pap in Bloodline.
I gess it's almost a relief they changed it from an anthology to Paul telling the story as this way we can just assume he got large parts of it wrong.
- Scarecrow
(www.cenobite.com/forum)
After part 3 cenobite start to change everytime for no reason, the ones from part 3 are not keep, and the one from the fourth are still there in 2200 but in part 5 and 6 its new ones... this is the only mess thats really there...
personally part 3 is my favorite, Pinhead unleash killing everybody...:P