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Common Turkish Lies and Paranoia


This is an example of one of the many reasons why the Turkish state doesn't have a chance to prosper: Any imbecile can make any statement, without corroboration, and the (Turkish) masses will (or tend to) believe.

There is absolutely no evidence to the information below; yet, the masses (Turkish) will believe.

Isn't it odd that only Turks tend to believe this nonsense? Yes.

From what I hear and have read, recognition for the Armenian Genocide is based on irrefutable evidence. The Turkish government is aware of this. Therefore, recognition is inevitable.

But you continue to try to convince yourself and others that your -- ahem -- "truths" are just that: truths. But that would just be another lie.

You may continue.

why did Armenians kill muslims on the eve of WW1?

tvoldemor
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The Armenians revolted against their dominantly muslim Ottoman government and killed their muslim neighbors before WW1. Why did they do that?

- Ottoman economy and military has weakened.
- Western and Russian economy and military was on the raise.
- Ottoman government's control over her land has weakened and foreign manipulations have increased.

- Nationalism was on the raise to the degree of racism. This has affected all minorities to seek their own identity and land.
- Corrupt Armenian leaders, trained in and supported from mainly France and Russia created little gangs, which then evolved into terrorist organisations.
- The Armenian leaders were promised a country, power and prosperity by Brits, French, and Russia in return for their revolt.
- Western powers assured Armenians that if Ottomans had used any violence against Armenians, they would step in and destroy Ottomans.

In reality, western powers were not interested in protecting Armenians (forget about their prosperity). What they wanted was to escalate the violence. We can see that from the end result:

- Blood and violence came in between Armenians and Turks. Now the two people can not sit on the same table even after almost a century.

- Western countries continuously exaggerated the Armenian-Turkish conflict, made promises to both Armenians and Turks and kept the hatred alive.

- They are still trying to use the Armenian conflict to manipulate Turkey.

- Western powers did absolutely nothing to help Armenia for their real problems, such as poverty, hunger, prostitution, healthcare.


If you care about Armenians, go to Armenia and see the pathetic conditions that they are living at. Then goto California and see the few rich Armenians and how they do not give a s$it about the poor Armenian citizens in Armenia.


Rest of this is for the Turks:

- Arkadaslar, eger Ermeni sorunu diye bir sey bugun olmasaydi, kime ihtiyacimiz olmazdi. Bunu dusunun. Bence bu problemi surekli gundemimizde tutanlarla Ermeni tasarisi gecmesin diye surekli yanasmak ve taviz vermek zorunda kaldiklarimiz ayni kisilerdir.

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tvoldemor:

If you care about Armenians, go to Armenia and see the pathetic conditions that they are living at. Then goto California and see the few rich Armenians and how they do not give a s$it about the poor Armenian citizens in Armenia.
I'll make this a categorical statement and say that this point is, without question, a lie. You're trying to deceive anyone that reads this post. The truth is Armenians collectively donate to the land of their roots, and you know this to be true. I can speak for those that I know very well. Actually, just take a look at the tourism rise in Armenia. Just take a moment and look at the facts.

Another thing for certain in this: The Turkish attempt to deceive is predictable.

Are you so afraid of admitting to the facts (that your ancestors committed genocide) that you're willing to go to any length to avoid that eventual occurrence? Because as difficult as it may be, you will have to admit to it, whether you want to or not. Certainly, your government will.

It's a shame that you deny the obvious. Then again, I'm not surprised (use your imagination).

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Hey Varl. That user (tvoldemor, or teevie, as we Armenians mockingly called him) used to be one of the regular Turkish idiots on this board. The kind of moronisms that he normally talks is a pure result of intense racism and Turkish self-hatred (coupled with simple stupidity). Nothing to be surprised about.

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i message here regularly. so, am i an another idiot for you tigran?

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I haven't read your posts, evren. If you spew out hate speech agaisnt Armenians like the idiot Varl was talking about, then I am afraid yes. If you are able to discuss your opinion differences with others in a civilized manner, then of course not.

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just wanted to know if you see every Turk as an idiot. thanks for replying. but an idiot can be from all races. dont forget it. take care...

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i mean i thought that u were looking from a racist perspective sorry for that. there are some of the people here that sent some very insulting messeges here on this board which were deleted by the administraotr. i just wanted to say that every race has this kind of idiots. take care...

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Sure, but as long as your government continues to impose on its citizens the denial of the Genocide, there will be many more idiots among Turks than they should be. It has nothing to do with race, just a side-effect of Turkey's suppression campaign against the truth on the Genocide.

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I am admitting that there is a genocide, but keep in mind that if Turkish goverment accept the fact that there had been a genocide you will still be insulting us!Why should we give you that pleasure! Ask your self why we have still armenian brothers who are still living with us... Ask yourself why I am engaged to marry one of them.In Turkey, we are living together, we are forming families...We each have our own wounds but we try to heal them together in this country...Why don't you leave us alone....We don't want to be a part of your god damn union...Let us breath...

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Denizulker its very brave to admit the truth.
But please dont do it in public !!!
You will end up inside the prison tortured and humiliated by turkish police.

Varloates, their lies are known and enough said.
They have spamed youtube and imdb (check midnight express board) with the same lies (it was not a genocide it was a deportation blah blah blah...)

You must understand that whatever they do they do it by numbers.

Thanks God,
few people believe them

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the writer of midnight express apologized for writing a lot of rubbish in that. nearly 90% of what he wrote was fake and he admitted that.

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by denizulker: I am admitting that there is a genocide, but keep in mind that if Turkish goverment accept the fact that there had been a genocide you will still be insulting us!


Actually you are wrong. We Armenians insult you primarily because you (as a nation) deny the genocide. When your government does the right thing, then the tensions between our people will ease greatly. Armenians are a friendly nation, they will not hold the crime of your ancestors against individual Turks. Don't mistake their tolerance for resignation.

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