This was an excellent movie. But first thing, you people need to stop with the racism nonsense. This is a COMEDY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stop taking it so seriously. And number two, stop blaming Martin Lawrence. He didn't write the script, he was just doing his job. It's called acting. If he hated white people, he wouldn't deal with them, which means he wouldn't last too long in Hollywood. Number three, enough with the white jokes. I am black, and I have always hated racism jokes, they are flat out dumb. No one knows every black or white person in the world, so the racist jokes need to stop. Besides, I wouldn't like jokes about black people, treat people the way you would want to be treated. And finally, if you are angry with the racist jokes in this movie ( and I am one of them that are angry) direct your anger at Jay Scherick and David Ronn. Those two people didn't do a good job writing this movie. This movie had the potential to get two and a half stars, but the racist jokes and the sub-par dialogue turned this fine concept into a run-of-the-mill two star movie.
I'm sorry, comedy or not, this movie is what makes people hate black people. Your statement "And number two, stop blaming Martin Lawrence. He didn't write the script, he was just doing his job." is incorrect IMHO. He has a responsibility too, for carrying a message to the world.
Christ, would you listen to yourself? Why blame an actor for a movie with quote-unquote "racist" themes?
It's just a movie, man!
Now if the KKK released a film, which is directly pointed towards being racist, it would be racist. But films like National Security, although they might have white jokes in it, aren't aimed to be racist!
I'm a blonde-haired, blue-eyed white guy and even I think this!
Please, people, let's just try to get along here. No more fighting, everyone.
This is what makes people hate black people? I have typed this on the post, and I am going to do this again, it is a COMEDY!!!!!!!!. This movie isnt meant to be taken so seriously. Gene Hackman played a klansman in a movie, is he a racist? Probably not. Betty White played a bigot in Bringing Down the House, is she racist? Probably not. Quentin Tarantino used the N word in Pulp Fiction 4 times in one scene, is he a racist? Probably not. Do you realize how many actors have portrayed racists in movies? So Vic nl, why do you choose to attack Martin Lawrence? To me, I think your verbal attack on him is unfair, and unjust, and to say this movie can make someone hate black people is absolutely absurd.
I don't agree with Vic nl's comment, but to say that this movie wasn't offensive is just wrong.
#1, I am not against comedians using politically incorrect material and I can take a joke, if it is funny, I am going to laugh, no matter who it makes fun of (personally I think Richard Prior was one of the funniest men alive - and if you are old school, you know he isn't politically correct - towards anyone). But this movie didn't make racist jokes, it just flat out made racist comments (e.g when Martin's character was hitting on the white chick and Steve's character questioned him because he said he was against inter-racial relationships. Martin's character responded by saying "I am, only if the man is white." I was expecting a joke or something after this, but it just left it at that). Plus, the whole idea of the movie was just upsetting. Basically, Martin's character spends the whole movie blackmailing Steve's character because of a false police brutality report. And this is after Steve's character spent 6 months in jail, lost his job, his girlfriend and is now labelled as a racist cop ... hmmm doesn't sound much like a comedy anymore, does it.
#2, You make a good point about Gene Hackman, Betty White and Quentin Tarantino and a lot of people are unfairly taking it out on Martin Lawernce (although I don't find him funny - Run Tell Dat - 45 mins of him whining about pointless crap). I want to make myself clear, I am not blaming or calling Martin Lawernce racist, but I am calling the movie racist. It should have never been made and I am blown away that it actually did.
#3, In your original post you said it was just a comedy and basically everyone should lighten up (I'm not quoting you). But then you went on to say that you don't like racist jokes and they are dumb. Well, which is it? You can't have both.
#4, Even if you take out the racist comments and made the two lead characters both white or both black, it was still a stupid movie anyway.
I don't agree with Vic nl's comment, but to say that this movie wasn't offensive is just wrong.
#1, I am not against comedians using politically incorrect material and I can take a joke, if it is funny, I am going to laugh, no matter who it makes fun of (personally I think Richard Prior was one of the funniest men alive - and if you are old school, you know he isn't politically correct - towards anyone). But this movie didn't make racist jokes, it just flat out made racist comments (e.g when Martin's character was hitting on the white chick and Steve's character questioned him because he said he was against inter-racial relationships. Martin's character responded by saying "I am, only if the man is white." I was expecting a joke or something after this, but it just left it at that). Plus, the whole idea of the movie was just upsetting. Basically, Martin's character spends the whole movie blackmailing Steve's character because of a false police brutality report. And this is after Steve's character spent 6 months in jail, lost his job, his girlfriend and is now labelled as a racist cop ... hmmm doesn't sound much like a comedy anymore, does it.
#2, You make a good point about Gene Hackman, Betty White and Quentin Tarantino and a lot of people are unfairly taking it out on Martin Lawernce (although I don't find him funny - Run Tell Dat - 45 mins of him whining about pointless crap). I want to make myself clear, I am not blaming or calling Martin Lawernce racist, but I am calling the movie racist. It should have never been made and I am blown away that it actually did.
#3, In your original post you said it was just a comedy and basically everyone should lighten up (I'm not quoting you). But then you went on to say that you don't like racist jokes and they are dumb. Well, which is it? You can't have both.
#4, Even if you take out the racist comments and made the two lead characters both white or both black, it was still a stupid movie anyway.
Mappy, I have to say that that was the best response that I have got on this board. However, I may have come off contradicting myself with my orginal posting. I do not like racist jokes at all. For example, Showtime starring Robert De Niro, and Eddie Murphy was extremely similar to this film, but I didnt see racist jokes in that movie. This movie tried very hard to be light-hearted, but just went in the wrong direction. However, the responses to this movie have been very strong. I just felt that this movie didnt deserve such an angry response, it isnt a very good movie to begin with. Number two, I dont think it was the writers intent to offend white people, I think their intent was to appeal to a black audience. Personally, they could have done much better. So basically what I am saying is, it is only a comedy, this isnt a serious movie, so dont take it so serious, and number two, there are other ways to be funny (e.g. showtime) without making racially offensive jokes. Besides, bringing down the house offended me, and made me uncomfortable, but I recognize that it was a comedy (a poor one at that), so I just let it slide.
P.S. I know I said this was an excellent movie, and I stick by that. But since then I have seen much better movies, so this one flattens in comparisons
That is your opinion and you certainly are entitled to it. I also know what you mean by 'letting it slide' (trust me, my girlfriend rented Glitter one night and if you can let that slide, you can let anything slide ... or so I thought). After watching National Security, I was soo offended and annoyed that I just couldn't let it slide. It bothered me so much that I went on the net just to see if it was just me. And as you can tell by this board alone, it wasn't just me.
Now there are tons of movies out there that involve racism or stereotypes (Bring Down the House being a perfect example). But I am pretty sure that most of those movies (if not all) show the negative side of racism. Bringing Down the House was a movie about a black girl being stereotyped by a bunch of rich, white, stuck-up snobs. But by the end of the movie, you realize that the black girl is an intelligent person who helps put Steve Martin's life back in order. And although there were a few questionable parts in the movie (i.e Betty White), the movie still sent a message that it is wrong to stereotype.
National Security however, went in the total opposite direction. It showed the positive side of racism and stereotypes. Martin's character, who failed out of police academy ended up becoming a cop by blackmailing Steve's character with a phoney brutality report. In other words, if you play the race card, you get what you want. May not have been the writer's intent ... but that is what I got out of it.
To send a message like that in a motion picture (a comedy for that matter) is just irresponsible writing. And although it is 'just a movie', it can cause a lot of misguided hate (just look at Vic's comment if you don't believe me)
Well thats a very good point as well. But think about this. In a few years from now, this movie will be forgotten. This movie wont win any oscars, or any awards for that matter. And if I am not mistaken, this movie cost 35 million dollars to make, but made 38 million, so it is safe to say that the studio wont make a sequel. So seeing that this movie is forgettable, why make an uproar over it. I am sure that the people that have made this movie is being punished enough for the failure of this film. But the thing that has bothered me the most is all the misguided hatred toward the film. I mean you have one person that quoted "this movie makes people hate black people", I understand that this person was offended by this film, and rightfully so, but you cant spew venom at an entire race over that. Bringing Down the House offended me, and that movie didn't make me hate white people. As I have mentioned, the blame goes squarely on the shoulders of Jay Scherick, and David Ronn (the writers of the movie). Or you can blame Dennis Dugan for not taking some of the racial jokes out of the dialogue. He is the director and he has the power to do that. Personally I dont want to do that, I like Dennis Dugan (e.g. guest appearances on moonlighting, and directing big daddy). Or you can blame Columbia Pictures for not taking the racial jokes out of the dialogue (despite their disclaimer before the movie on the DVD, which by the way they put on a lot of their DVDs, not just National Security). There is a ton of blame to go around, and I am sure that there are a number of blamers who knows that, but choose to attack Martin Lawrence, or even worse african-americans. And one last thing. If Vic has such a problem with this movie, maybe he should watch "White Man's Burden", then maybe he wouldnt complain about how racist this movie is toward white people. I am black, and after watching that movie, I nearly hated black people (LOL).
P.S. I am very sorry that your girlfriend rented Glitter, to quote Steve Martin from Bringing Down the House "that money should have went to charity"...(LOL).
I agree with you 100% and I am pretty sure we are both arguing on the same side. This movie won't win any awards (Raspberry Award maybe) and it will eventually make its way to the $4 bin at Futureshop.
But, my point was; although this movie did offend me, I didn't take it out on Martin Lawrence or even worse, on black people. But that doesn't mean the next guy won't. Let's face it, there are people out there who are easily influenced by movies. I read somewhere that on the opening weekend of "Gone In Sixty Seconds", car theft in one state or province (can't remember which one) rose by 300%. Which goes to show you, there are a lot of morons out there who take movies too far.
So my message is to writers of these types of movies (movies that involve racism or stereotypes of any kind): Be careful of what message you are putting into your story, because even idiots can go see movies.
I didn't enjoy this movie very much- I didn't find it very funny, but I was not offended. I just thought it was stupid. If anything, the Martin Lawrence character seems to be making fun of black people who assume that all whites are racist, not the other way around, indicating that the writers know that not all white people are racist (though some are) and that some black people have the potential to be (which Lawrence's character is, at least at the beginning. The fact that society can joke around about this kind of stuff (to a certain extent, and I do not mean to say that racism is funny- it isn't) is somewhat healthy and shows that we have evolved, though the response to this movie on both sides seems to show that we still have a way to go. Something can be tasteless (which I think this was) without being offensive, per se. It certainly can't be taken seriously, considering that in the real world Lawrence's character would go to jail after it was proven that he lied at the trial and sent a man away for six months without him having committed a crime. The other thing that I found rather annoying was the lieutenant- logically he would have known Zahn's character pretty well but basically abandons him when he's accused and takes the word of a total stranger over his own officer without any other evidence. Anyroad, like most movies, you have to suspend reality (it just seems even more neccessary with this one!). The one thing this movie has accomplished is helping to foster discussion, which is always a good thing, IMHO. Just thought I would contribute! Take care!
Well, I just saw this movie this morning, and how can anybody not see this movie as anything but racist? I don't know who it's supposed to appeal to, though. As a black person, I thought it made a mockery out of racism and racial profiling. And if I were white, I would just be offended at the stupid things they say about white people. I found myself saying 'that's not funny' out loud to myself very often. The movie was very, very, very annoying. As much as I have a general aversion for police, I felt really sorry for Steve Zahn's character. I kept waiting for him to punch Earl out, which came far too late in the movie for my taste.
I think this movie's biggest problem is that it's not funny. I mean, Martin Lawrence is a funny person, so I laughed a few times. But the movie as a whole was not worth sitting through. His Earl character has to be one of the most annoying characters in movie history.
Your saying If martin didn't like whites he wouldn't last, Eddie Murphy dosn't like whites, I've told the story in another topic, yet he's doing well in holywood.
Eddie Murphy doesn't like whites? I honestly never heard of this before. Do you have a link to a newspaper article or something like that. Thats very intresting, and if that is true, I will have to verbally blast him. As for Mappy, I agree with you 100%. There was a somewhat similar controversy to "Money Train" like the one to "Gone in 60 seconds". In New York, there were bombings in token booths in the subways, just like the character played by Chris Cooper did in the movie. I dont know if it was the police or the media that linked it to scenes from "Money Train", but it has been linked to the movie, which in effect caused the controversy.
Funny isnt it. We never hear of people re-creating touching scenes from movies, just the cool or disturbing ones.
No it didn't go to the newspaper because my dad's friend never went to them, but my father's friend went to get a autograph for his son from eddie and eddie said "Get the *beep* out of here CRACKER". Because of that I try to not watch eddie murphy films.
Well all I can say is if thats true, then I have lost all respect for him. But if its not true, then my feelings stay the same. All and all, it is just an unfortunate situation. But you did bring up a great point about Hollywood arrogance. No one making that kind of money should be that surly. I have zero tolerance for arrogant behavior from any celebrity. That's why I cant feel sorry for Spike Lee not winning any oscars. He is talented, but too surly for my taste.
I understand your viewpoints, I wish I had further proof, had you lived in my neiborhood I could have introduced you to my dad's friend, but it's not the arragoance that bothers me, it's the racism, he didn't have to say cracker.
Well I am going to take your word for it. But I cant verbally kill someone for something that maybe true, but groundless. As for the arrogance part, that maybe be there with Murphy. A rumor is going around about Eddie Murphy that during the filming of "The Haunted Mansion", Murphy had Jennifer Tilly's role shortened, because he felt she was a little bit more talented than him. Once again, that is a rumor. She has mentioned that on "Jimmy Kimmel Live", and there hasnt be a denial on Eddie Murphy's part.
Well if you do, and he does that, report it to a newspaper. I can't understand why celebrities do that. The last thing he needs is public opinion going against him.
You guys are pathetic. Crying over a movie because it has racist jokes in it. Did it personally hurt you? Did you lose sleep over it? Are you going to worry about it forever. If you answered yes to any of these questions then you are too sensative and shouldn't watch these kinds of movies. If you answered No to any of these questions then why are you crying about it. Its because of people like you that funny movies are put down. Same with Undercover Brother.
I have very little problem with racial jokes. My problem is that this film used a ton of racial jokes, and it ruins the film. Just like I would have a problem with a movie with J-Lo in it, and they use a ton of butt jokes. It's overkill.
I disagree about it being an "excellent movie." I prefer to see Martin in Bad Boys, Nothing to Lose, or Life. I didn't think National Security was that great. I'm a fan of Martin, but there was a lot of racial dialogue in National Security. I wouldn't have mind if it was at least funny, but most of it wasn't. I'm black too and I watch the re-runs of the sitcoms from the '70s such as All in the Family, The Jeffersons, and Sanford and Son. They had a lot of racial dialogue, but those shows were great. I hate stereotypes as well, but the writers made this film not too good even with the racism jokes, especially since it had talented actors like Martin Lawrence and Steve Zahn.
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Well thats one caucasian that likes the racial dialogue. I agree with the sequel part though. But I doubt they would do that, this film made some money, but not enough to build on. But it may become a cult classic.
"You guys are pathetic. Crying over a movie because it has racist jokes in it. Did it personally hurt you? Did you lose sleep over it? Are you going to worry about it forever. If you answered yes to any of these questions then you are too sensative and shouldn't watch these kinds of movies. If you answered No to any of these questions then why are you crying about it. Its because of people like you that funny movies are put down. Same with Undercover Brother. "
Had it made racial jokes against blacks, it would have been banned from the USA, I'm not pathetic, I just hate the double standard, and this movie was so racist, it was dumb.