State of Mind?
Was he set up or really nuts? I could never tell.
shareThe movie leaves this point deliberately ambiguous. It does that with a lot of points; the motivations of either central character are only hinted at, with no solid explanation.
I think the idea here is that this is a very *pure* chase film, if that makes sense. It focuses on two men who are essentially chess pieces, chasing each other around the board. What drives them is irrelevent and therefore superfluous, and so it's left out. The important part (apparently) is that they're chasing each other, and how.
Seema a unique and fascinating approach to this kind of movie.
Yes he was set up. When the other sweepers are taking him in the van, the one throws a paper down, and talks about the frontpage and how hammil *beep* up. Hammill says something about them being armed, and he had no other way out but through them. This shows that he was either set up, or someone messed up on the intel. The other man is talking to him not as if he was crazy and killed them all, but as if the intel was screwed up and their putting the blame on him. It is also interesting to note that the operative talking to him in the van, was also a recruit along him in training, and was standing in the group when he got his medal, giving hammill a cocky smile.
shareOr the army guys are telling the truth, and Hallam thinks otherwise because he's insane. either one is plausible. the movie makes a point of it.
shareOr the army guys are telling the truth, and Hallam thinks otherwise because he's insane. either one is plausible. the movie makes a point of it.
Hey that's a good point! I never thought of it that way. I always thought he was set up by the way the other soldier in the van was speaking to him. That and the headlines on the newspaper he was shown.
http://www.godandscience.org
i think hallam is set up.. and i think the other guys wernt fellow soldiers but just government pencil pushers only doing what the higher powers told him to do. When L.T. said he can kill w/o regret means he can still think logically, but have no problem killing. The government kills expendible assets once they have no use for them, and since Hallam didnt want to be a pawn anymore he did what he thought he had to do. As for the "sweepers" i those sweepers were going to kill deer due to over population which oregon has had problems with in the past. Either way i think the whole thing is meant to boggle the viewers mind.
Army Rangers live the example that we strive to follow
i think hallam is set up.. and i think the other guys wernt fellow soldiers but just government pencil pushers only doing what the higher powers told him to do.
Yeah,I thought the same thing also until I went and dusted off my dvd and watched it carefully. I may be mistaken but the soldier that presented the warrant to the chief or whoever he was,was the same soldier who was in the Balkans when Hallam was presented with the Silver Star.
http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com/index.html
the movie make this a point in one sceen. and its Hallam's point. there are too many sceens that point to him being insane, and just one the van sceen that says otherwise. if this movie was about hallam being set up, dont you think there would have been a bit more back story involved on how he was set up?
sharePossibly, but then again they wouldn't want to make it too obvious whether Hallam or the fed's are the bad guy(s).
"Life's like a Dick; when it get's hard, it takes you quail hunting and shoots you in the back."
I honestly think that he has been set up, but we (the audience) see him being portrayed as being insane because that is what all the other characters think and see. The point of the film, for me at least, is not that he is going to get his name cleared - he knows the way it works - he knows they will find him - he knows that he is truley screwed - and he wants revenge on LT when they come face to face and he realizes LT is on the other side.
--------------------------------------
Deftones makes the world a better place
It's an interesting idea that he had been set up - that never crossed my mind until reading this thread.
When he's in the van with the FBI guys (it's been a long time since I last saw this film, so sorry if they aren't FBI) and they talk to him about him doing jobs for them I took that whole conversation to mean that he was doing black-ops for them but due to his insanity he killed innocent people, therefore they had to silence him by killing him otherwise details of the black-ops would get out.
I never took it as him being set up, but i'll have to re-watch the film more closely
Spoilers.
I just watched this again like an hour ago and I'm surprised not one person says he's nuts and I have to respectfully disagree with you guys. I don't think the movie makes it vague in the least. He's gone insane by the things he's seen and done. The government pays him to kill and he does and then on one mission he goes nuts and kills a whole family. He then probably disappears, kills some hunters he thinks are actually agents sent to kill him. He gets caught. The government agents take him into custody to kill him because they can't have insane guys running around killing innocent hunters and blabbing about black ops that officially don't exist. Seems pretty cut and dry to me. I don't see where it's ambiguous. Take the family for instance. The movie doesn't tell you much at all about who exactly was killed but "family" assumes at least one child. Are we to assume that Hallam was right and the child or children he killed were in fact "soldiers" as he said? With weapons? I see what you guys are saying but it's too far fetched for me.