outraged Chaplin fan


i couldnt finnish this movie not only because i had to watch goodfellas on a different channel but because of all the poor ways charlie was portrayed! Chaplin was an amazing writer! that scene where he tries to write a love letter to that chick and he has to try over and over and its still crap, well, chaplin could write the most beautiful letter in the world and he wouldnt even break a sweat! watch any of his stuff and you'll see.

another part-- when he had his chair pulled out from under him and he kind of rolls his eyes like-"haha you got me...whatever" if that was done to chaplin that wouldve got him started on a whole slew of improv comedy. if chaplin was the victom of a joke like that he would go with it and make it something hilarious. Thats his JOB you know!

If you really want to watch Charlie kill somebody watch the FICTIONOUS comedy movie that he wrote, directed, and produced called Monsieur Verdoux. dont let a silent film phobia stop you either, if youve got one, because its not silent. it was made in 1947. Go Watch it! Now! Go! or at least look it up while youre here. i also reccomend any of his other stuff. just wait. this post will have changed your life and youll be thanking me.

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wow what a bizarre post. how do you know that chaplin can write a beautiful letter? i'm fairly certain there has never been volume of chaplin letters published. have you received one?? i've read his autobiography and i wasn't terribly impressed by that. "watch any of his stuff and you'll see." -that's just barely a sentence but i'll let that go. his "stuff" was by and large silent comedy which doesn't lend itself to demonstrating chaplin's letter writng skills.
i'm not even going to touch paragraph two as it is clearly (poorly) written by a very confused person, unless it was written by the ghost of chaplin's widow or one of his children.
i've seen verdoux, i've also made it to the final reel of cat's meow and had the above author done the same he would realize that in meow chaplin doesn't "murder" anyone. w.r. hearst does. i'm fairly certain fictionous isn't a word. so no fool i won't be thanking you but big ups on verdoux i feel as though that one is under appreciated. i'm glad to know complete idiots enjoy it too.

what a bunch of sissies, this is supposed to be a gun club not a blasted singing society.

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I agree w/ yrnotamanda, How does the poster know all this stuff, personally I think they should just shut up and get a life.

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Yeah, that is definitely a weird post. Speaking of Monsieur Verdoux - that story was suggested to Charlie by none other than Orson Welles - another of Hearst's nemeses.
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While i do agree that the original poster should have at least watched the whole film, thats no need to be nasty to him/her. The first 2 posters both made certain points, fair enough. Why though did you, shadowystarlight, feel the need to tell someone to "shut up and get a life", simply for expressing their own opinion?

Absolutely disgusting. please people, show more consideration for your fellow posters, anger for the sake of anger is not the answer.

And to stray slightly back toward topic, i felt this film was very well acted regardless of anything else.

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While I don't necessarily agree with other posters calling each other names, I do have to agree that the original poster's thoughts are perhaps questionable too. With regards to the letter writing... yes, Chaplin may indeed have been a great writer, but like all writers, I'm sure a lot of his screenplays went through several drafts before he settled on a difinitive script and therefore it is quite likely that he would have had to write several versions of the same love letter before being satisfied. Similarly, while he was a master at slapstick, the chair-pulling incident in this film would not necessarily have lead to Chaplin going into one of his routines. Yes it was "his job", but he is not at work on the boat trip and like a lot of modern day comedians, I'm sure being entertaining and funny in ones private life is not something you particularly aspire to when you do it every day of your working life. Indeed, Chaplin seems to have several other things on his mind during the course of this film and being a clown isn't one of them. Let's not forget too that this is merely a suggestion of events that may or may not have actually taken place, since no-one involved in the incident ever really spoke about it, so some creative licence has been taken by the writer for the sake of the drama.

Also, I know this is really for a seperate post, but I happen to disagree with many people's opinion on Eddie Izzard's performance as Chaplin. While he doesn't achieve the same level of mimicry of, say, Robert Downey Jnr in "Chaplin" and we see little sign of the physical skill which the great man had, I think Izzard gives a wonderfully understated performance in the role.... one of his best performances to date IMHO.

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I do have to disagree with this original poster as well....if he or she knew anything about Chaplin, they would know that he was a perfectionist....several books, documentaries, and biographies have cited many times that Chaplin would often shoot a scene HUNDREDS of times, just to get it right. Several actors who worked in his films have discussed the frustration of doing the same thing over and over again, because of his need to get the scene just right. Another example of this would be in his later films. Some films, such as "City Lights" and "The Great Dictator" took YEARS from fruition to their final product...I believe it was at least 2 years for "City Lights". So the scene where Charlie is rewriting his letter to Marion is quite plausible...

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Showing Chaplin rewriting the letter, wadding it up and tossing it into a basket with what we assume are other versions of the same letter was, to me, just a way to show a character trait... perfectionist. I think these were just subtle hints to add realism, things we already knew about him, but not make it the main focus of the film, because ultimately this was not a movie solely about Charlie Chaplin.

And I liked the scene (subtle though it was) that indicates how Marion Davies was the inspiration as to how his shoe-eating scene in "The Gold Rush" was finally decided. They show Chaplin with a shoe lace in his mouth (still attached to his shoe)and in walks Marion...

Charlie (to Marion): If you were starving and you had no food, would you eat your shoe?

Marion: What?

Charlie: Your shoe, would you eat it?

Marion: Of course I would.

Charlie: You would?

Marion: Yes. But I'd have to boil it first.

Charlie: Now THAT'S funny.

Yet another way to show that although he may have been a good storyteller, he still got stuck, whether it was working out a scene in one of his films or rewriting a letter over and over. And, afterall... are love letters really all that easy to write in the first place? Unless of course, you're positive the feelings are mutual. Even Charlie Chaplin could be insecure... bless his heart!

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Eddie Izzard deserved an academy award for this portrayal of Chaplin. He actually portrays the man ... not the cliche over-the-top spin that most put on him. He wasn't the Tramp in real life. And, the OP does seem a little dramatic.

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Yrnotamanda what have you got against capital letters? Have chat rooms ruined your English?

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Well, any fan of the silent era would never refer to the blonde and utterly beautiful Marion Davies as "that chick". Charlie Chaplin was brilliant just like Lon Chaney and Buster Keaton were brilliant. They represent an era of film when the actors possessed diverse talent and skill not just in acting but directing, writing, dancing, singing, choreographing, and writing the musical score as well. They were all perfectionists, just look at Chaney's face make up or how perfectly choreographed each and every scene in Chaplin's films were. Therefore, I believe any fan of Chaplin or Marion Davies would be ultimately disappointed in this picture because it is certainly not going to turn a modern audience onto silent films, that's for sure. Sadly, Marion Davies is only remembered today for this scandal and not her comedic talent and pantomimic skills, as well as her ability to imitate any of the silent stars like Lillian Gish and Gloria Swanson, just watch her charming performance in King Vidor's The Patsy. Marion Davis was a great actress and a wonderful woman and Kirsten Dunst isn't even half as beautiful as she was.

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I still don't understand the outrage people seem to have over how Chaplin was portrayed in this film. Eddie Izzard did a great job, and as someone who isn't even a big Chaplin fan, he doesn't come off that badly in the film. Yes, he's a huge womanizer, but I don't think anyone is going to argue with that.
When Marion rejects him, he goes back to the other girl - he does the right thing. Tom Ince, who was a scheming backstabber, and WRH, who was paranoid and delusional, came off way worse in this movie that Chaplin did.

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The OP should rent and watch (actually sit down and watch the entire) UNKNOWN CHAPLIN, to see how Chaplin really worked. Anyone who thinks Chaplin was a god who would sit down at a desk and let the words flow out effortlessly onto the paper is seriously deluded as to how the man worked.

I don't deny his genius when it comes to comedy, but this idea that he "wouldn't even break a sweat" while writing is ridiculous.

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Chaplin worked with a lot of effort, often to the point of self-destruction. Even when he made movies he would shoot and reshoot scenes dozens of times over, until they were perfect and if a later scene were rewritten, he would reshoot the scene again. It would be extremely out of character for him to do anything effortlessly.

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i couldnt finnish this movie not only because i had to watch goodfellas on a different channel but because of all the poor ways charlie was portrayed! Chaplin was an amazing writer! that scene where he tries to write a love letter to that chick and he has to try over and over and its still crap, well, chaplin could write the most beautiful letter in the world and he wouldnt even break a sweat! watch any of his stuff and you'll see.

another part-- when he had his chair pulled out from under him and he kind of rolls his eyes like-"haha you got me...whatever" if that was done to chaplin that wouldve got him started on a whole slew of improv comedy. if chaplin was the victom of a joke like that he would go with it and make it something hilarious. Thats his JOB you know!

If you really want to watch Charlie kill somebody watch the FICTIONOUS comedy movie that he wrote, directed, and produced called Monsieur Verdoux. dont let a silent film phobia stop you either, if youve got one, because its not silent. it was made in 1947. Go Watch it! Now! Go! or at least look it up while youre here. i also reccomend any of his other stuff. just wait. this post will have changed your life and youll be thanking me.


Get over it.

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