MovieChat Forums > Frailty (2002) Discussion > what is a 'demon'? (spoilers)

what is a 'demon'? (spoilers)


They go around and spout "demon" but what they really seem to mean is "sinner". To claim that a young boy (Fenton) is a demon makes no sense in the context of this supernatural story (even the FBI agent at the end who is a demon seemed surprised that he believed this stuff). However, in the context of a drama (without supernatural elements) it doesn't matter what they call them (sinner/devil(/demon), cause there are no such thing as demons. It's just a word for these "good guys" to filter bad from good humans in their POV


I think that the twist really puts down this film for multiple reasons. One reason that hasn't been touched upon: the usage of the word "demon" and the lack of definition of it.
A man who has sinned is far something else than a demon that has taken refuge on this earth; are they righteous people and doing God's work by killing demons from hell or are they human beings that have done bad things (sinners). Do the characters care about that distinction? Should we as viewers even need that definition (or aren't we either supposed to care since it is orders from God)?

reply

I agree. Even if these "victims" really had done the "evil" things implied, I don't see any connection with something supernatural.


From Wikipedia...

The contemporary Roman Catholic Church unequivocally teaches that angels and demons are real beings rather than just symbolic devices. The Catholic Church has a cadre of officially sanctioned exorcists which perform many exorcisms each year.

I hadn't thought of it in this light before. Was he perhaps killing people who were possessed by a demon. Seems like an exorcism would be gentler.

... and the rocks it pummels. - James Berardinelli

reply

Here's text of dialogue from the movie which I found on the internet, which I hope is accurate:

"Dad: The end of the world is coming. It's near. The angel showed me. There are demons among us. The devil has released them for the final battle. It's being fought right now. But nobody knows it except us and others like us."

OP, I don't think he's talking about sinners. He's talking about something else, and it's largely up to the audience to decide what their nature is, apart from the little evidence we are given.

I think they are inhuman creatures, who can be killed not merely as punishment for what they have done, but simply for what they are. Granted, we are not given a lot of evidence that these "demons" have supernatural qualities, but that choice by the filmmakers makes it easier for them to add the twist ending.

If you can accept that Paxton's character is actually being guided by God, he would not need special weapons to hunt and kill the demons if they were just human sinners. As unimpressive as the pipe and the ax seem to be, those were specific weapons God chose for him to use. It is implied that they have special demon-killing power, but I guess you could decide he has to use them just because God told him to.

Also, the father implies that God has told him that Fenton is a demon. Fenton certainly wouldn't make much of an evil-doer at that point compared to the other demons that have been killed. So God has told Paxton's character not about what Fenton has done, but what Fenton is.

The demons we are shown in the movie just seem to want to pass themselves of as human and get away with doing evil, and have no great powers, at least in the face of God's chosen demon-hunters. And it would seem, if Fenton is indeed a demon, that either people sometimes give birth to demons who can pass themselves off as human, or that demons manage to replace existing humans and take over their lives.

If you think there is any doubt there about the nature of "demons," and therefore about the morality of the characters' demon-hunting mission, any such doubt in the characters is eradicated by their religious faith. I think you're welcome to find that unsettling.

reply

They go around and spout "demon" but what they really seem to mean is "sinner".


No. They mean a soul corrupted before birth.

To claim that a young boy (Fenton) is a demon makes no sense in the context of this supernatural story (even the FBI agent at the end who is a demon seemed surprised that he believed this stuff). However, in the context of a drama (without supernatural elements) it doesn't matter what they call them (sinner/devil(/demon), cause there are no such thing as demons. It's just a word for these "good guys" to filter bad from good humans in their POV


This movie isn't about demons the way Supernatural presents them.

And your interpretation seems based on real world logic, not anything the movie presents.

The new home of Welcome to Planet Bob: http://kingofbob.blogspot.ca/

reply

No. They mean a soul corrupted before birth.

A corrupted soul is a demon?

And your interpretation seems based on real world logic, not anything the movie presents.
Which this film followed up to the twist. Hence why the twist was such a big deal.

reply

A corrupted soul is a demon?


That's how the movie presents it. People don't get possessed by a third entity(separate from the soul\body of the host) which then controls their body. Demons as this movie presents them are born "bad."

Which this film followed up to the twist. Hence why the twist was such a big deal.


No, it doesn't. It presents the exact same scenario from the perspective of someone who doesn't see what makes this situation mystical. Fenton's perspective is flawed because he can't see what Adam and the father see. Adam, telling the story from Fenton's perspective is presenting the story from the position of an unbeliever.

The new home of Welcome to Planet Bob: http://kingofbob.blogspot.ca/

reply

^
Oh... you again. I know who you are. Your posts are invalid and full of *beep* as always, dear Bob!

reply

Well thought out and reasoned argument, Milky, as always. I expected nothing more from you.

The new home of Welcome to Planet Bob: http://kingofbob.blogspot.ca/

reply