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Too many tricks spoil the broth *spoilers*


UNRELIABLE NARRATOR - oooo so we were tricked and it's actually told from the OTHER brother's perspective. Hey, neat trick!

DEMON TWIST - oh, so demons ARE actually real. That's kinda stupid. That means all the legitimate drama about dangerous fanatical delusion has been dropped in place of a supernatural gimmick. Very anti-climactic.

DETECTIVE TWIST - wait, what? The detective kills his own freakin mother? We've got all these problems about demons and delusion and now the author has just bunged in the worst, most unthinkable crime of them all right at the end and with no motive? This is all just a bit silly.

Conclusion? Amateur writer.

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Yep. You pretty much summed up what's wrong with this movie. Also, I saw the twist coming just 20 minutes into the movie. I don't know why people are praising this movie. It's nothing but just some religious piece of crap.

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?Also, I saw the twist coming just 20 minutes into the movie?

Blablabla....you saw NOTHING,average little idiot. I hate those *beep* believing THEY anticipate what even high intelligent fellow humans like me didn't see coming...because there was NO hint for that, fool. You did nothing but guessing and any guessing idiot is coincidentally right sometimes.

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The first two are fine as far as twists go. The unreliable narrorator thing is used a lot, fight club does it but nobody cares. It was done well here since every other movie of this style has the person actually be insane. Him being the one instance of it being real was a fun turn on what we expected. The other brother perspective is also handled well so it didn't bother me either.

The detective twist however was trite and unnecessary, I agree. I get that it ties into the other twist of God actually speaking to them, but it's still added for no reason...

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The detective twist however was trite and unnecessary, I agree. I get that it ties into the other twist of God actually speaking to them, but it's still added for no reason...


I completely disagree. It isn't "added" either. It ties directly into Fentons story, wherein he kills his own parent. The implication that a demon fully becomes a demon upon killing their parent.

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What about the child molester? He didn't kill his parents (that was indicated).

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I don't recall that being stated. Perhaps they have to do something that's totally immoral. I imagine molesting and murdering children would qualify.

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So you've changed your definition of demon from someone who has killed their parents, to someone who has done something totally immoral. So why was the young Fenton a demon when (at the point in the movie it was indicated he was a demon) he had done neither?

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The problem with the "unreliable narrator" in this movie was that it was an attempt to "trick" the audience rather than a subtle story-telling device. The fact that a "cheap" trick like that is needed to make the movie work, followed by the other twists does leave the movie feeling like it wasn't particularly well written. Well, not that it wasn't well written, more that it failed to have the impact that movies like Fight Club and The Double did.

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The problem with the "unreliable narrator" in this movie was that it was an attempt to "trick" the audience rather than a subtle story-telling device.


No, it's intended to trick the person hearing the story, in this case, Agent Doyle. The audience just isn't privy to any more information than Doyle is.

The fact that a "cheap" trick like that is needed to make the movie work, followed by the other twists does leave the movie feeling like it wasn't particularly well written. Well, not that it wasn't well written, more that it failed to have the impact that movies like Fight Club and The Double did.


How exactly is this example of an unreliable narrator any different than Fight Club? The only difference is, you apparently liked one and disliked the other. But in the end, neither narrative works without the unreliable narrator.

The movie wouldn't work without the unreliable narrator, but only because being straight with Agent Doyle wouldn't have gotten Adam what he needed. If Adam just told a story about how he and his father saw and destroyed demons and that his brother was a demon, what reason would Doyle have to follow him to the Rose Garden? All this would have added up to would be Adam being put in a mental institution.

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It is different from Fight Club because Fight Club at no point told the audience that, quite unequivocally, the narrator and Tyler were different people. Instead it was up to the audience to come to that erroneous conclusion by themselves, yet when watching it back the movie is littered with subtle hints that they are the same person. For example when Tyler is having sex with the girl at the squat and the phone rings, and when the narrator answers the sound of sex stops. It doesn't register on the first viewing, but on the second viewing you know the sound of sex stops because Tyler and the narrator are the same person and he took a break from the sex to answer the phone.

Frailty is totally different in that it deliberately and explicitly misleads the audience.

I agree the movie wouldn't work without an unreliable narrator, neither would Fight Club or The Double. However Fight Club didn't need to resort to the kind of trickery that Frailty did. Again I do agree this was partly due to the movie's plot requiring it; all I'm saying is that if you compare the use of an unreliable narrator in Fight Club and this movie then Fight Club leaves your mind blown, whereas Frailty makes you think "Meh, that was just cheap".

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