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Was anyone else offended by this movie?


I'll start off by saying that I thought this was a well shot, well acted film. I thought that it started off well. The backstory was suspensful and made you think "What if?".

The message that I got from the ending was that there really are demons and angels and that Adam and his father could see them. This is evident by the fact that as soon as Adam touched the agent, the agent could not defend himself and had succumbed to the "power of god", the fact that no one could see the faces on the tape, and could not recall Adam's face. Regardless of the fact of whether he and his father had made up the other backgrounds of the "demons", Adam was made to seem correct.

Is the director telling us that there are in fact, demons and angels? If so, this is not only unfulfilling and sanctimonious, but it is a real cheat for the script.

Please someone write whether I just got the wrong take on this movie and maybe I am incorrect, or if this what one was supposed to take this movie as...

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What a long thread.. i'm sorry i don't think i can read that all, so maybe someone else had written the same opinion as mine. But here's my point:

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So I found the message of this movie quite disturbing for beliebers, about the description of God and Demon.

1. the movie depicted God as a vengeful and evil thing, more evil than the demon. He judged and killed his people, justifed and supported his men (Fenton/Adam) to fullfil his will by helping them (he gave him vision, protect them from the police and made them won in the end of the day)

2. it depicted demon just as people, ordinary people, human! In my opinion, those are not demons, they're just sinners. Everybody is a sinner. Fenton/Adam and Dad can make a list of infinite Demons out there if based on their theory that Demons are people that "had done a mistake" and they had to "judge" them by killing them as "God's Hands".

In conclusion, the final twist ending in the movie wanted to tell that God is "the real villain". I can see why people don't like this because this gave a different perfective of God they believe.

But I think the movie gave a further message than just a random theory of God and Demon (if you have a positive thinking about it). It simply just tell people that they just can't "play God" no matter how accurete they think of the "God's Message" they have.

And the other point is: this just a movie, I don't feel like people should get offended by a message of a fiction movie that is just not the same as they belief.

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Justin Beliebers?



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I wasn't offended by it, but it should be more ambiguous.

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This is a pussy country now. Everyone is offended by everything.

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It's an interesting case. I can totally get how the conclusion is bothersome to some viewers, yet at the same time -- and, in some ways, because of this reason -- the reversal is something to be lauded from a storytelling standpoint.

First of all, I don't think it's simply the admission of the existence of angels and demons within the film's universe that is the primary issue. This movie differs considerably from, say, The Exorcist, by intentionally misdirecting the source of its evil for most of its running time. There's something deeply unsettling about the only skeptic in the film, and the audience's point of reference, being revealed to a demon to be destroyed. This, in turn, leaves a perspective completely absent from the film. What room would this leave for skepticism or non-believers who might react similarly? Not all people in the film can see these visions, so regardless of Fenton's intentions, the moral response if you do not have the supernatural evidence would to reject Dad's behaviour.

It's also uncomfortable that the film's demons, although having legitimately done crimes, are presented as mortal beings whose acts do not extend beyond what people are capable of and who, like people, do not do bad things all the time. It leaves a big underlying question about what really separates a demon from a bad person. Are people in this universe not also capable of doing bad things? Why then should demons be destroyed and not humans who might do similar things?

Ultimately then, demons aren't revealed to be worse than some human beings unless human beings in this world are inherently good. If that last part is true, it creates a very black and white world that undermines the value of faith because the only true evil is one who was never human to begin with.

If someone bothered by this can take any solace, it's that the events only confirm a couple things with certainty. 1. That supernatural intervention indeed takes place and 2. that the FBI agent, and by extension the other "demons", had committed murders themselves. However strong the argument of Dad and Adam's righteousness, that leaves the possibility of a slightly more malevolent force that encourages vigilantism and is not a deity. Dad and Adam can't even know this with absolute certainty, so their moral choices can be doubted at least a little.

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Only a moron would be offended by a movie.









"When all is said and done, a lot more will have been said than done."

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I had heard that this film was very good, but I just didn't enjoy it. It was just a standard killer film to me. It has very good reviews, but I just don't see what's so special about it, it's possibly because I'm not very religious.

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Hell that's why I liked it. Religious crazies who kill in the name of god are fascinating to me...oh wait, terrorists have taken the idea and beaten it into dust now, nvm.

Still an awesome movie.



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Offended, eh? You were ten years ahead of your time, precious.



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