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So Many Repetitive Weird Dreams & Flashbacks

posted 9 years ago by StrayCat1000
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With So Many Repetitive Weird Dreams & Flashbacks, how does one discern which parts near the beginning of the movie were Lucid Dreams, OR what actually happened to the main character, when there were so many weird dreams and flashbacks starting near the beginning?

David also incorporated getting arrested for murder into his Lucid Nightmare correct?

Why have a back to back double scene where David sees himself in the mirror with a face that is still discombobulated, and then right after that, the same scene AGAIN, but this time his face is OK? Was that a nightmare during the Lucid Dream?

Another example, how does David experience & see a blonde chic, and then immediately right after, almost a completely different brunette, latina chic? That's MORE than just a Lucid Dream gone bad. Not even the most powerful psychotic drugs in the world are capable of such extreme mental spasms.

At the end, what happens, does he get awakened and go back to a normal life? Didn't he already have a funeral in REAL LIFE?

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"There's a lot of RAGE inside me about it". ~ Austin Matelson

[–] titbaud 9 years ago

Watch it again mate :)

Spoiler :

He didn't kill anyone, it was in his lucid dream that he was charged for the murder of Sofia.

Yeah it was a nightmare in a lucid dream when he sees himself in the mirror while Sofia is sleeping in his bed.

You know, in a dream that you don't control, like most dreams in fact, everything can happens, you look at your watch and it's 12 o'clock, you look back and it's 9 and the clock hands are going anticlockwise...
That's what happens to him, his lucid dream became out of control because of his Subconscious, and it became a normal dream, where you are not the master and where what happens can be utterly illogical.

Yeah, in the end he jumps and "die" in his dream, so he comes back to life in the future.
There was indeed a memorial, but David's body was already frozen somewhere in LE warehouse and he was dreaming. So he's not dead like someone who would be buried, he's in suspension-hibernation. In the future they've discovered how to bring hibernating people back to life, and David is awakened, 150 years later.

[–] StrayCat1000 9 years ago

He didn't kill anyone, it was in his lucid dream that he was charged for the murder of Sofia.

I know... that's what I wanted to confirm:

David also incorporated getting arrested for murder into his Lucid Nightmare correct?

... David is awakened, 150 years later.

When//Where in the movie is that "150 years later"?

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"There's a lot of RAGE inside me about it". ~ Austin Matelson

[–] titbaud 9 years ago

It doesn't appear in the movie.

When he was alive in the real world, it was in 2001.

And he asked for a lucid dream in which he won't get old modeled on a picture of New York in 2001. Proof : you can see the two towers at the end on the rooftop scene.
Crowe doesn't show what the future in 2151 looks like.

The only one thing from the future is the voice which says, "relax David, open your eyes", and the eye of David opening on the very last moment of the movie.

[–] StrayCat1000 9 years ago

... David is awakened, 150 years later.

When//Where in the movie is that "150 years later"?

It doesn't appear in the movie.

From where do you get this - the book?

Also, how do we know the Lucid Dream isn't just a dream within a dream, and that the whole thing is just a fantasy?

A Tech Support in a Lucid Dream can't just flip a switch and turn things on & off because he's DREAMING the Tech Support.

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"There's a lot of RAGE inside me about it". ~ Austin Matelson

[–] titbaud 9 years ago

There are 6 different interpretations about the movie, as stated on Crowe's official site

http://www.theuncool.com/films/vanilla-sky/vanilla-sky-secrets/

I'm speaking about the first interpretation, but yeah, it could be all a fantasy.

But there are clues that the first half is real and the second is a lucid dream, like the Sky being always "Vanilla" after Sofia woke him up on the street and until the end of the movie. You can also hear the scientists speaking and bells ringing when David is in need of tech support, like when he's in jail with Thomas Tipp.

But yeah, it could be a dream for the first moment to the last, who knows?

[–] StrayCat1000 9 years ago

In that case why are you so enthralled with this movie?

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"There's a lot of RAGE inside me about it". ~ Austin Matelson

[–] titbaud 9 years ago

MCCABE

We're just talking.

de gustibus et coloribus non disputandum

I love the movies I watch to be a bit vague, I don't like to be sure, I watch a piece of art to use my mind, to think about it, to make it turn over and over in my head.

This movie is exactly what I'm looking for, I'll never be sure of what is real and what is not, there are so many questions I still have in my mind, and that makes me talking about this masterpiece around me.

[–] StrayCat1000 9 years ago

... I'll never be sure of what is real and what is not ...

The same applies literally to 1000s of movies but particularly wrt Vanilla Sky and its dark, macabre, morbid nature, not entirely certain if this is very healthy.

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"There's a lot of RAGE inside me about it". ~ Austin Matelson

[–] energeez 9 years ago

thank god for dark morbid film.

[–] Kubricks-donkey 9 years ago

1) The splice. Watch the movie again, they explain this VERY CLEARLY. There is a point in the movie where everything is real and then after that point (after David wakes up after the club) it is all part of Life Extension. Don't blame the movie when it goes out of its way to devote a very clear explanation of this in the most straight forward way possible.

2 / 3 /4) He didn't incorporate being arrested into his 'lucid nightmare'. It wasn't even a 'lucid nightmare' either, it was an advanced form of technology called Life Extension. David was dead but his brain remained plus to this machine. You have to kinda use your imagination here as such a thing doesn't exist in reality.

But basically things all went wrong because his Life Extension module is run by what's in his subconscious. The good, the bad, his insecurities, etc. That's why Technical Support came in.

5) David was frozen, and only his brain remained in this beautifully rendered, virtual reality system called Life Extension. He'd been frozen for many, many years (150 I believe). During that time technology had advanced even more and they could bring people back. Just like Benny the dog.

Vanilla Sky is really an amazing film and all of this is explained in detail in the movie, I promise you. I encourage you to watch the movie again because it's beautifully made and unravels more layers the more you watch it.

[–] TheMouseShadow 9 years ago

You are right about the splice. In fact you can HEAR it when he is lying there on the sidewalk.