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What could Jeannie ever see in Randall?


I love this movie, but I feel the degree to which Randall's character is a loser beggars belief. A mullet with a badly thinning hairline, that ugly black vest with turquoise and purple trim that went of style in 1986, the pyramid schemes, the wall plastered with participation ribbons and awards for attendance at a two week vocational course in electronics.
Jeannie is not an unattractive woman. Women tend to be hypergamous in nature, and do not tend to pair downward. Randall is far less attractive, has a pedestrian retail job, and comes from a Bohemian lifestyle with far less than privilege than her father offered her.
There is a lot about this movie that is intriguing and realistic, with all kinds of wonderful attention to detail. But I feel the caricature of Randall is a bit on the nose.
What say YOU?

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Yes he is a bit of a caricature, but his whole family are horribly naff so I can imagine all of those rotten genetics could quite possibly create someone like him.

I think their relationship works because Randall tolerates Jeannie's obnoxious, self-centred tantrums; he may be a berk but he's right under her thumb.

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It is my understanding that some people prefer a relationship where one is far more valuable on the sexual market than the other. The reason is that the person with more value has all the power in the relationship. Jeannie can mistreat Randall, abuse him and know he will put up with it because he could never do better.

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My theory - because Randall is the exact opposite of her father.

Randall is happy go lucky and makes her the center of his life. Warren was all business and pushed her aside.

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Simple. He is not her father.

Randall is far less attractive, has a pedestrian retail job, and comes from a Bohemian lifestyle with far less than privilege than her father offered her.

Exactly. Privilege is not what matters most to most people. She wants someone who loves her. Obviously she never got much caring from her father, even though he loves her.

Women tend to be hypergamous in nature, and do not tend to pair downward.

 huh? Seriously? I've seen a lot of women with total losers and ugly dudes. I rarely see men with chicks that don't make them look good.

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Simple. He is not her father.

The same is true of any other three billion men on the planet not her father. As for your other comments, I would think she could still find someone not quite as pathetic.
And yes, hypergamy is a defining characteristic of female sexuality. It depends what quality of women are involved, but ugly dudes may be because they money. Total losers, as you put it, may come in to play because of lack of self esteem, or because they are involved in some special interest (like bikers).

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I think he was probably the best she could do at that point, because of her age. It was either Randall or permanent spinsterhood.

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Randall's at least as attractive as Jeanie. And he's nice, and not an A Grade bitca (I know Jeannie was grieving, so we may not have seen her true self). So there's that.

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I think you're right that they may have cranked up the "loser-ness" of Randall a bit beyond reason. I don't know that it's a major criticism. The movie is supposed to be funny, and going a bit too far is one of the basic forms of screen humor. I don't think he was really on the nose, so much as humorously exaggerated. Also, you get a bit of a pass with making a character extreme if he's not onscreen for a ton of minutes.

Jeannie was not intended to be highly attractive. It's a general characteristic of the world in which movies take place, I think, that you have to recalibrate your standards of attractiveness from those that apply in the real world. In the film world, an ugly woman is beautiful woman wearing glasses. I think the hair/makeup/lighting people cranked Hope Davis' looks down a bit from how she appears in other movies around the same time (e.g., say, "Proof" or "Next Stop Wonderland).

Also - aside from physically - she really isn't very attractive. She's short-tempered, self-centered and irritating. She's not particularly successful. Although her family background is relatively privileged, I don't think she'd quite qualify as an "heiress," nor does she seem to have taken much away from whatever advantageous education she presumably got.

What I took away was that she recognized Randall's shortcomings, but understood that he was the best she was going to do. She may have had some suppressed frustration over that, which contributed to her response to Schmidt's attempt to un-suppress it.

The "he's not her father" response seems to be pretty meaningless to me, for what that's worth.

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Jeannie is no prize pig herself.

She's a woman of average appearance, approaching 40, and in spite of her upper middle class background she has a dead-end job as a shipping clerk. On top of that, she's an ill-tempered, nagging little brat who most men wouldn't want to put up with unless they themselves were desperate. So Randall isn't really a big step down for her, it isn't as though a dashing young CEO of a fortune 500 company was about to sweep Jeannie off her feet.

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"Hypergamous".... Wow, that 's a new word for me. Using a man to move up in socioeconomic status.

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