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From a Navy SEAL to SWAT officer?


Usually in order to become a SWAT officer one must first serve several years as a patrol officer. Is that rule also applied for former military personnel with strong Special Forces background? For example, the in movie SWAT, Street (Farrell) was a former Navy SEAL. Is it resonable that Street will serve 5 years as a patrol officer before applying to the LAPD SWAT? Can he have joined the LAPD SWAT directly or shortly after graduating from the police academy?

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No, regardless of his background, he still has to go through eight months at the academy and then do his probationary period as a patrolman. Then, after four years, he can apply for SWAT. Atleast that is the way it works for the LAPD.

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More to the point, it's unlikely that one would do this. Becoming a SEAL is a major undertaking which requires dedication and commitment. Considering all of the hard work to become a SEAL, there are plenty of opportunities to change their minds *before* they finish. By the time they've gone through it all, they're plenty sure that it's what they want to do.

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Of course, he could have served for a couple of enlistments and then have chosen to get out of the active Navy while still being a member of a Reserve S.E.A.L. Team (yes, they do exist and, there are several of them based out of Coronado in California). Upon being a civilian again choosing to become a policeman and then moving up to S.W.A.T. would have been completely natural for Street.

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in the show Street (robert Urich) was a street cop for a whole 10 minutes before becoming a cop. He also looked a little new.

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But in reality after having done all of that he'd probably be closer to Sam Jackson's age.

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True Director-21. I can't imagine anyone having made it through BUDS and then choosing to get out before at least making Chief Petty Officer which, if he had gone through BUDS as a P.O. 3rd Class (even as a SEAL), it would take him at least 10 to 12 years to reach that paygrade.

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it's been a while since I've seen the movie but wasn't there reference to him being on the job before becoming swat. When he says to Gamble they've been partners for 5 years doesn't necessarily mean in swat.

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"Usually in order to become a SWAT officer one must first serve several years as a patrol officer. Is that rule also applied for former military personnel with strong Special Forces background?"

Whatever a given agency's experience requirement for S.W.A.T/STAR/TRU or whatever appropriate moniker they give it, it's universal regardless of background. It has to be strictly due to equal opportunity and fairness, particularly in civil service/state commission agencies.

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"Whatever a given agency's experience requirement for S.W.A.T/STAR/TRU or whatever appropriate moniker they give it, it's universal regardless of background. It has to be strictly due to equal opportunity and fairness, particularly in civil service/state commission agencies."

Whilst i agree that no dount this is true. Why would they do this, who does it help?
- not the person with better training, he is wasted waiting for so long.
- not the agency, they could use the experience and undoubted ability.
- not the public, who would be that bit safer having a better trained and more diverse individual in the job where he can use those skills.

equal oppoptunity it may be but fair it is not..

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"Why would they do this, who does it help?"

I couldn't agree more with your points, but that's just the way it is. You can expound on that and see that is just the way it is in law enforcement hiring in general. Why do you have age/gender norms for police officers in hiring and training, in order to have a force of gender and age diversity? If females and 35 year olds can't pass the physical, marksmanship, driving, fighting, and academic elements to the same standards as the 21-24 year old bracket, do they deserve the job as much or more? Obviously not, but due to these demographic factors they take jobs away from more qualified candidates every day.

And yes, it hurts the person, the agency, and the public at large.

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They will need to go through all of the police training etc to go through all of the police protocol/procedures and different types of prosecution and the ways that a police officer can and cannot use his firearm, excessive for and such. But seen as every officer needs to be WELL experienced (hence the 4 or 5 years minimum on the street) he would need to be a probi (prohbationary officer) then a full officer, then try for S.W.A.T.

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Whilst i agree that no dount this is true. Why would they do this, who does it help?
- not the person with better training, he is wasted waiting for so long.
- not the agency, they could use the experience and undoubted ability.
- not the public, who would be that bit safer having a better trained and more diverse individual in the job where he can use those skills.

equal oppoptunity it may be but fair it is not..


First thing to keep in mind is that SWAT is NOT a full-time position in most agencies. In most of them, it is a collateral duty. They work every day in traffic, patrol, canine etc and do SWAT training afterwards, responding to call-outs when needed.

Second, SWAT cops are still COPS. They need to learn what street goes where, how the law is applied on the street (as opposed to the academy) etc. They need to know people, know who does what and who the players are.

Third, SWAT and SEAL/SF/Ranger etc training are not interchangable. I've seen cops who never served a day in the military that could outshoot most people I've seen in SF. Almost anyone can learn to rapel and move tacticly, but the mindset is somewhat different. SWAT cops need to be continuously aware of libility, legal restraints etc much more than a SEAL or SF trooper.

Lastly, some former military have difficulty transitioning into law enforcement if they can't adjust their thinking. I remember watching a USMC veteran, 6 months onto the job, grab a 17 year old by the throat and nearly choke him. His reasoning: "I am a veteran. I fought for my country. No teenage punk is going to talk to me that way". Having been in both the military and law enforcement, I can say there are many similarities in the mindset, but there are some big differences.

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Really good post, there's quite a chasm between law enforcement operations and military operations and most people just don't realize the gap. Discretion and responsibility are issues that a police officer deal with constantly, while even at the NCO level everything in the military is almost automated. In most ways a police officer, even at the lowest levels, is his own boss and makes every direct decision- stop or not stop, search or don't search, , take a report or don't take a report, arrest or don't arrest, use force or don't use force completely independent of any supervision. While a soldier/airmen/sailor/Marine is being told what he is doing every minute of every day.

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@iteshift36 SWAT cops need to be continuously aware of libility, legal restraints etc much more than a SEAL or SF trooper.
It seems like everyone and everything is controlled by liability and other legal mumbo-jumbo. Must be why so many politicians are former lawyers.

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Because a minority of operators become 'lifers'. They get tired of traveling, living in a constant state of flux, poor income for their respective talents, etc. The latter group (income based) usually go to work for Blackwater or some other SPS group and perform military special operations skill tasks for 2.5- 3 times their former salary. However, most fall in the former group and leave because they get tired of traveling, etc. And where else can you find all the benefits of the special operations community- the very things that lead an individual to such a career in the first place (action, espirit de corps, camaraderie, etc) without the traveling?

Law enforcement, of course.

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"He was still a bit young."

As are most folks. I was 21 when I got off of active duty and began my career in law enforcement. Likewise, most people who do get out leave after their initial 4 year commitment. If you invest 8 to 10 years, it just makes more sense to stay in for the 20.

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Exactly. 10 years is really the halfway point. anything beyond that you should just see it to retirement. Problems when your in SOF is that its a young persons arena. all that travel wears at your body and enthusiasm.

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I guess it's concievable that someone could be LAPD SWAT in their mid to late 20's, Hollywood is fond of showing us people in very advanced places at very young ages. Just makes the rest of our lives look more boring. I did some time in law enforcement before going back to school. While I'm sure it's possible that a former SEAL might get some fast tracking to a specialized unit the reality is that depending on how the department's hiring procedures go it may be 6 months to a year from the time of applying to actually going to work. (It took the Sheriff about 3-4 months to hire me but another 3 months before putting me to work, go figure!! It took the US Border Patrol 18 months of processing to offer me a job which I ultimately declined) You then have to go through an academy, say 6 months, then a field training officer program, which is several more months, then the offcer might be signed off to work alone but still be on a probationary period. After that you are looking at several years of patrol work before moving to something else. You are probably looking at quite some time to make SWAT.

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he would have left the teams and joined the police force, then after serving the required time he would have applied to join swat and went through all that.

no doubt it was pretty much a breeze after being a seal, but he would have had to do all the training regardless, it is a lot different. swat teams operate in completely different circumstances to seal teams and the transition would be large.

seals are trained to be killers basically, to do their job by whatever means possible, swat officers are still police offers and have to uphold the law, only using deadly force if and when required.

the film swat, although entertaining, is a long way away from reality.

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I doubt any new recruit (which he would've been at 18) would be invited (thats essentially what it is) to be part of the SEAL team. We're talking a very elite and specialized unit of extremely well trained men.

Not that I'm an expert of navy politics and SEAL recruitment policies.

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Special Warfare is now a rate in the Navy and those who want to be SEALs can enter BUD/S pretty much right out of boot camp (provided they pass the physical requirements).

Leave the gun...take the canolis

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It depends on the department.

I think most require a certain time served as a patrolman, but at Miami-Dade exceptions can be -- and have been -- made for candidates with experience equal to or greater than that required of a patrolman.

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All I know is, after setting off that claymore in that tunnel with no hearing protection, and at that distance, their ears would have been ringing for hours. I wouldn't be surprised if it deafened them for life.



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