How accurate is this movie?
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This is probably the most accurate film biography I have ever seen of a show business personality. I base this on the massive amounts of reading that I've done on Judy, coupled with the fact that there are scenes recreated in this film that I have heard Judy talk about herself in television interviews.
sharelike all tv biopics, it has its fair amount of innacuracies:
-there's no record of judy's father being bisexual
-judy and lana turner are depicted as being arch rivals, actually they were good friends.
-judy and her wizard of oz co-stars are shown as being aloof, as well as director victor fleming. judy later told an interviewer, "it was the most fun i ever had on a film set" (bolger, haley and lahr, like judy were also former vaudevillians; fleming gave judy the nickname "angie" and expressed to work with her again in the mid-1940's but that never happened)
-judy is shown being grief stricken after artie shaw dumps her for lana, but she wasn't the only one dumped... betty grable was also dating him at the same time and lana divorced the famed bandleader soon after they got hitched.
-there's no proof of vincente minnelli as bisexual
-'a star is born' is depicted as a huge flop. it was a huge hit for its first few months of release until exhibitors complained to jack warner of its length.
-the scene in the hospital room after grace kelly wins the oscar is a somber one (judy later told it as if everybody left the hospital room). in fact, as a reporter for variety later explained, judy handed off her newborn son to a nurse and popped a bottle of champaigne with hubby sid luft and friend kay thompson. then, all of her celebrity friends (mickey rooney, frank sinatra, the humphrey bogarts, hedda hopper, hepburn & tracy, dean martin, liz taylor, sammy davis jr., marilyn monroe, etc.) started pouring in to congratulate her.. for losing. as somebody said, "the maternity ward became one big party suite".
-judy and sid luft's marriage is depicted as having lasted until their divorce date of 1965. actually, they had separated around 1961.
-THEY HAD JUDY DIE ON THE TOILET!
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I wouldn't imagine this is very accurate considering Judy herself had a knack to over-exaggerate stories about her MGM years, although there maybe some element of truth to those stories. This is also based on Lorna Luft's book so I think that she didn't really know much of what happened aside from what was told to her by her mother and friends.
Gerold Frank's book is probably the best Judy biography and should've been the blueprint for the movie.
I think this and the Anne Frank movie were the most accurate, as far as I see it. Compared to recent ones on television like the Natalie Wood one and Shirley Temple's. You looked at Judy and Tammy and there WERE Judy as much as they could be playing such a legend. And the stories they used really got you to understand her and see what she went through. Yes she had her stories she told for laughs. But this movie was more about the person than the performer.
"I'm here to see the Sex Pistols"-Betty White on the tonight show
she wasn't on the toilet you idiot. she was laying on the bathroom floor!
sharejudy and her wizard of oz co-stars are shown as being aloof, as well as director victor fleming. judy later told an interviewer,
That scene on the set of THE WIZARD OF OZ where Victor Fleming says, "To the three dirty hams...let that little girl in there!" I actually saw Judy tell that story herself on an episode of THE JACK PAAR SHOW.
Yeah, she said it but later Liza Lorna and Joey said that she made that story up.
She made that up?
Do you have a link to Liza Lorna and Joey saying this?
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I dont have a link to it, but on one of the special editions of the Wizard of Oz they had an interview with Lorna, Joey and Liza were they said that she may have made the story up.
Ok thank you. I just got one of the special editions of the wizard of oz but I haven't watched the special features yet. So I'll look for it.
"Hold Your Head High Heavy Hearts"
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Also should point out that it was in fact Robert Stack that used to cover for Judy when she was secretly seeing Arty Lang. He was great friends with Judy during the MGM years.
Would've loved to have seen an appearances from greats like Fred Astaire and Gene Kelly (who did 3 or 4 films with Judy).
there's no proof of vincente minnelli as bisexual
This movie never directly states that Vincente Minnelli was bisexual. In that scene, Roger Ends (John Benjamin Hickey) tells Judy that Vincente may not be "the marrying kind" and then Judy assumes she knows what Roger is talking about.
I disagree- Star is Born is never portrayed as a "flop" - didn't you see the scene where Sid Luft is reading the raving reviews??
And yeah, watch it again - she's on the bathroom floor. And the oz thing - not sure what you're talking about there either. Didn't you see them joking around "Judy give me an apple" "Do you want this apple?" Also, so what if Shaw dumped the other women as well -they weren't relevant to the story nor to Judy's life.
A major bug is that Liza is six when Lorna is born in 1952 and by the time the Star is Born reviews are being read by Sid, she looks 15! What happened there?? Lorna should have been about two or three; but Liza is a teenager! Huh?
First of all, there is record of Judy's father being a bisexual. Second,Vincente Minelli, was also has been reported not just by Lorna that he was bisexual. Third, it was reported by Mickey Dean, that she actually did die on the toilet. Where did you get the information that these were false?
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