Lisa kinda sucks.

I guess refusing to vaccinate her child doesn't maker her a bad mother - but it certainly makes her a stupid one.

I agree completely with the above poster. Lisa is a character that I've thought a lot about, especially given the constant vitriol that the character receives.

I don't see Lisa as any more detestable and villainous than Nate is. They are both generally good and well-meaning people, who unfortunately bring out some of the worst qualities in each other. Lisa may be grating and difficult to deal with as Season 3 progresses, but surely some of that has to be as a result of the obvious detachment that she was receiving from Nate. And Nate may have been unfairly distant and emotionally unavailable to Lisa, but surely some of that has to be because she was so controlling.

It's all about cause vs. effect, and whether or not you believe that Lisa was always like that and that the progression we saw in Season 3 was just her standard personality. I don't think it was, when we first met her in Driving Mr. Mossback, she was very warm and inviting, missing almost all of the shrewdness that we later saw. I don't think that the free-spited and the commitment-phobic Nate would have ever lived with her in Seattle or been as close as they were had she displayed the neediness or controlling nature that she later developed.

Had Lisa been wrong about many of her accusations about Nate, maybe I would feel more one-sided on the issue, but all of her fears about Nate not wanting to be with her, Nate avoiding her, and resenting her, were all true. Despite his best efforts and his well-meaning nature, Nate was never able to fight his inherently selfish qualities, with every romantic relationship that he engages in on the show.

I never buy the picture that some people try to paint of Lisa intentionally getting pregnant and then trying to force Nate into the relationship he always ran away from. I don't want to get in any discussions of sexism or gender treatments, but something should be said for the posters who looks at an unplanned pregnancy situation like that, and use it to showcase the vile nature of women trying to entrap an upstanding and blameless man, who must have been forced at gun-point to impregnate that woman.

Anyway, as the above poster said. I understand why Lisa is hated, but I have an extremely hard time hating her once I look beyond the initial "wow she's so naggy" complaints and actually try to look at the underlying reasons for her behavior. I also agree on her being one of the most tragic characters, both due to the treatment she receives from the fans, and just the way that her entire quaint life seemed to unravel and end within the span of a short year.

I never said she was an evil person. That's certainly not true. She was a great person. I just said she kind of sucks.

I found her to be unbelievably controlling and insecure. She always was more into Nate than he was into her.

I never liked Lisa. I thought her pathetic. Not a bad person. Just..........pathetic.


I always wondered if Nate was really Maya's father considering Lisa's 'relationship' with her sister's husband.



Don't f@ck with me fellas! This aint my first time at the rodeo.

Weak statement? Better than having a weak personality. To each's own I guess.

Give me a Pepsi Free.

I think women who become mothers tend to get more criticism than men.

Also, that whole ambiguity about Maya's parentage really disappointed a lot of people. Lisa doesn't get to be a victim because she was really very passive aggressive.


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All of the characters are flawed. Lisa is really no worse than Nate, Brenda, or any of the rest. I wonder why she tends to receive more flak.