To me, at least. Upon re-watching episodes over the years and this current marathon, Nate had an Everyman appeal about him that I loved and Peter Krause performed him excellently. As great as the other cast was, I never felt like any of them outshined Krause as Nate. Such a nuanced, deceptively simple performance. A shame he never won on any of his Emmy nominations.
I was just in the "Most annoying character" thread and listed Nate as mine. I'll just copy what I wrote there and paste here...
Nate is probably the worst. He is incredibly selfish and egotistical. His emotional outbursts are, in some ways, worse than Ruth's because whenever he has one he is usually blaming someone else for his problems. Brenda's analysis of him in the last few episodes is pretty spot on. Nate is constantly looking for someone to make him feel better about himself. And if the person can't, or simply stops, he leaves and moves on to the next. Shifting from one relationship or fling to the next, searching for happiness, but incapable of finding it because he is miserable. His frequent mood swings, condescending speeches, and self-indulgent nature are all off-putting.
I can understand why others find him appealing, but I can't stand the guy.
Yes, all of this may very well be true, but I was speaking more to the actor's acting of the character, not whether or not he was a good guy. Personally, I think Nate was a good guy, but of course he was selfish, as most people are. My attitude towards Nate is that he felt like the most relatable character to me. I felt like most of the other characters' outbursts of emotion were at times a bit too scripted, whereas the way Krause played the character felt the most natural.
I could not disagree more. The actor was great too, in his performance but Nate was a wonderful guy. He wasn't malicious. He is very honest and likable. Yes, he has the affair with Maggie, but he had a difficult hand to deal with and it was more of an emotional affair. He isn't perfect but h is pretty close. He never did anything intentionally to hurt anyone
Yes, this is generally my point also. Although I will say that I feel as though Nate ended up treating Brenda badly. I think that Nate fell out of love with Brenda, but she never stopped loving him. But, like you say, it doesn't make him an evil or malicious person, but just human.
I am so happy to hear someone have sympathy for Brenda it at least see that isn't wasn't all her as to why their relationship didn't work out all the time. I think she never really believed he loved her and was giving her baby but really wasn't into it.
In some ways that's bad too. No he wasn't intentionally malicious, but more-so...oblivious to other's feelings. He would do and say cruel things without considering how it might affect or destroy those around him. That's part of what I mean when I say he's selfish. He often puts his own desires and feelings above other's. Or blames others for the *beep* things that happen to him. I mean he was going to abandon Brenda while she was pregnant with his child just so he could run off with Maggie. He also cheated on Brenda the first they were engaged in S2 with Lisa because he was upset about his AVM (this was before he knew about Brenda's cheating). Nate often makes rash decisions when he is emotional. He doesn't tend to think through long term consequences. He's very impulsive in that way. I mean he had unprotected sex with Lisa and did not consider the possibility that she might get pregnant? It's also said in S2 that he had gotten Lisa pregnant once before (years ago) and convinced her to have an abortion the first time. I mean...yikes. The guy is just flat out careless at times. Makes it hard to root for him.
He's the protagonist of the show, so if you're not rooting for him in some sense I can't imagine enjoying the program. He is by far the one with the most integrity.
I actually think that David and Ruth have more of a moral compass than Nate. And the show has an ensemble cast. They all get equal screen time for the most part. So I don't consider Nate to be the protagonist or someone that the show centers around. The show is more about the entire Fisher family. And one can easily dislike Nate and still enjoy the series because there are are so many other facets to the show to connect to.
Read the season finale articles interviewing the creator. The entire arc of the show follows Nate. That character is the show and everything that happens revolves around him. That is why they had to kill him off to give the show closure. He is definitely the protagonist.
I don't consider him to be the protagonist and I feel more connected to the other characters. I can only speak on what I've taken away from the show, and I find it quite easy to still enjoy the series while completely detesting his character. And after reading other posts on these boards, I'm not the only one who feels that way it seems.
LOL, Nate doesn't have an "everyman appeal", at least not by S4/5. He is very negative (even in the early seasons), completely unlikable and is probably a manic depressive (this very evident in S5).
I agree that Nate was the best. He was definitely imperfect, but look what kind of impact he made on all of those who knew him. He was the manifestation that his loved ones used to work out their own inner struggles - I'd say that's pretty powerful.
Perhaps in terms of interest and intrigue, Nate could perhaps be subjectively argued as the "best" character, but I disagree completely with anyone who suggests that he was the best character due to his morality or value systems.
Nate was far and away the most destructive and poorly-adjusted of all the main characters. He followed his delusion right through to the very end, believing that his supposed search for a higher purpose was an excuse to behave selfishly and without care for those around him. While all of the other characters were able to accept their shortcomings and alter their schemas, Nate never rose beyond Brenda's very accurate depiction of:
"Nate-the-good-guy, Nate-the-hero, *beep* with the *beep* great haircut."
He began the show afraid of commitment and afraid of being tied down, extremely unreliable, and that's how he ended the show. He ran away from his fear of death by running off to Seattle, ran away from his familial obligations, ran away from all ideas of commitment and obligation by cheating in every one of his relationships. And absolutely nothing changed by the time we got to the finale. He's constantly jogging and running, which is a great symbolism for the way he treats his life, he's even wearing the same jogging outfit he wore in the pilot, in Everyone's Waiting,
Nate can never stay in one place for too long, always scared that he's missing out on something better. He is afraid of the concept of death and the obvious restrictions that it comes with, and as result leaves home and seems to be living some type of flighty lifestyle. He originally has his relationship with Brenda, alluring because of the lack of emotional obligation. While Brenda was equally responsible for the relationship's failure, Nate clearly was dissatisfied with the relationship. Again, Brenda absolutely nails Nate's thought processes by stating that:
"The only reason why he only reason you stayed with me was because I was never really here."
The lack of emotional obligation in which Brenda offered was the only reason why that relationship lasted as long as it did, which is completely evident by the way he treats Lisa and then Brenda again in their marriage. He and Lisa absolutely brought out the worst in each other. Nate resented her for tying him down and began to pull away, which only made Lisa try harder and resulted in extremely grating behavior on her part. He spent all of his time avoiding their relationship, smoking on the side of the road, hiding in the Fishers tv room, becoming the miserable and situationally-obligated father that he had worked so hard to avoid turning into. While Lisa's behavior would later be revealed to be questionable, Nate was obviously unaware of those facets at the time of their relationship, and still acted completely avoidant and immaturely in their relationship. He was even reluctantly glad to see her go, it was pointed out consistently that his emotional distress was due to his guilt at his happiness, and not the fact that she was really gone. He was only able to move on after the Hoyt situation in "Untitled," because he'd seemingly been absolved of his indiscretions and suddenly he didn't need to feel guilty about wanting her gone.
During his second relationship with Brenda, he consistently resents her for asking the most basic and unobtrusive requests, ones that are expected when one becomes a husband and a father. There's even the projected scene where he yells at Brenda for conforming to the white picket fence style of life, trying to remind her that she's a rebel, trying to bring back the woman who had previously not asked anything of him. But that woman is gone, Brenda overcame her challenges and matured, while Nate didn't. Brenda was willing to attend the Quaker service despite her personal beliefs, willing to forgive Nate for his affair with Maggie and work on their relationship, while Nate was still living in a mindset where all of his behavior was justified by trying to find his best self. His relationship with Maggie would have lasted for as long as Maggie didn't ask anything of him. He's running away in his final dream too, heading out towards the "In The Game" ocean, trying to escape from the shore, even in his final moments the show is trying to show Nate's inherent desire for singularity and freedom.
Nate tried to change and tried to convince himself that he could be happy playing the part of the dutiful and amicable husband and father, he tried that with both Brenda and Lisa, and he failed miserably both times, in almost identical ways. He had so many unrealistic ideas in his head of how he was supposed to behave and how people wanted him to act, that he let it get to him and ultimately drive him away from the people he was supposed to love more than anything. His constant search for a higher-purpose consistently proves to be his downfall, it's no coincidence that Nate has his AVM attack almost immediately after his affair with Maggie, he is being punished for his behavior.
I think that Nate is easily the most tragic, and complex, character in the series, but to suggest that he was the most moral or good-natured of the group represents a lack of understanding of Nate as a person. His charisma and charm was just a defense mechanism for a world of insecurities and destructive behaviors, the facade of a person who was much more contemptible than they could even admit.
That's not to say he was a villain. He had the desire to be a positive influence on the world, he had a tremendous love and affection for those around him, but never more so than the love and affection he had for himself. He was a complex and multilayered human being, a fantastic creation on the part of Alan Ball.
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Can't believe no one commended you for this post, so I'll do it now. I think you've nailed his character perfectly, and explained why I am both disgusted by and sympathetic towards him.
I absolutely agree. Nate was the most interesting and complex character, but he lacks any true character growth throughout the series. And I think the people calling him moral perhaps don't understand the definition of the word. Honest I detest Nate. Perhaps that's why this series is so interesting - the protagonist is neither a hero or anti-hero.
Shining example of what happens to a good person when tragic things happen to them on a constant basis. He had trouble dealing with life's issues like many of us would were we in his shoes.
The first time i watched the show, my favorite was David due to Hall's performance. On my most recent rewatch i definitely attached to Nate moreso. First off, with how brilliant Fisher and MCH were i maybe missed Krause on my first viewing or he simply didn't stand out as much for some reason? This second viewing changed my perspective so much and i noticed so much more, his performance is so subtle and raw that i truly can't see anyone else playing this character.
The way he played it when he was burying Lisa, some of the finest acting I've seen.