Im not trying to sound like a pervert but i heard her father tore out some pages in her diary and i was wondering what they were about. Thanks!
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i dont think they ever had sex, no. but i htink he tore them out due to content in which he didnt feel was appropriate for the readers of annes journal to read. hope this helps
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i read a book 'roses of the earth' an amercian author wrote it with permission from otto frank. she wrote some explicit stuff about her body which he didn't feel acceptable with leaving in. she also wrote something which made the author think she and peter were 'heavy petting' and that she experienced an orgasm, but they didn't have sex. i guess that makes sense, anyone could hear anything in such a confined space
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The only thing they did was kiss. In those days seks wasn't so easly done as it is today.
shareread roses of the earth, chances are they did more than kiss. i did wonder why otto frank edited the diary
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When i read the book in high school. there were some pages i remember everyone giggling about..when she had written about exploring her body..i think it was more a masturbation type of thing. i dont remember anything about peter and her having sex
shareAre you real, it was practically a constant orgy throughout the war period.
As for other people hearing due to close prximity, perhaps you should consider what life was like for the ordinary people of that time. Many lived in small houses packed together like sardines - yet they still managed to make more mouths to feed.
I don't believe they could possibly have had sex because they were in such confined quarters that noises would have bee heard, and that her parents always knew when she was going up to see Peter and when she came back. Her and Peter's parents were concerned about her seeing Peter so much in private...so I'm very sure they kept a close watchful eye on them.
I think she mentioned they necked a lot at first..but that was as far was that went. Later on they just talked alot. And she had a disagreement with her father about it once...and then later felt very bad about it that she agreed with him to keep Peter at a distance later on. And I think she also realized later on that Peter was not her real soul mate, and that he was a bit flaky and didn't have enough confidence or self-esteem.
The passages that Otto left out were in references to her "sexual discovery" of her own body that were obviously meant to be kept very private...and he didn't think they were appropriate to be published to the public. Also...he left out passages where Anne talks about her opinions about her own Mom and her parents' marriage that was kind of cruel to her Mom and not very respectful in her memory.
In the definitive version of Anne's diary by mirjam pressler Anne mentions about what her or any other common vagina looked like.That was kind of wrong she also mentions nudity and one of mr.van Pels's joke about where babies come from.
share"i read a book 'roses of the earth' an amercian author wrote it with permission from otto frank. she wrote some explicit stuff about her body which he didn't feel acceptable with leaving in"
What is this book? There is a book called 'Roses from the Earth' by Carol Ann Lee, but she was a British author and non of that was mensioned.
I really doubt Anne and Peter had sex. I personally don't think the relationship between Anne and Peter was as romantic and intimate as Anne portrayed it to be in her diary. Anne was only 14/15 when she began this 'romance' with Peter, and as she was also a good writer and was probably feeling quite emotional at that time, I can imagine that she may have exaggerated this relationship slightly.
sorry, i read that she was american. it does mention it in it if you read it through
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It has been released with all the missing parts...The Diary of Anne Frank: The Critical Edition and also Anne Frank: The Definitive Editon. One of them came out recently and has a couple more pages that were released after the others. Much of the deleted pages have to do with Anne's relationship with her mother and have some very harsh statements she made about her mother. Also Anne speculating on her parents unhappy marriage.
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The exploration of her body, as described in the diaries, is as frank as her name, but also quite innocent IMHO. My thoughts were "That figures!" when Anne wrote about the clitoris. She wrote that she had asked her mother what it was good for, and her mother basically told her that she didn't know. I think Edith Frank wanted her daughter to be pure, but by not telling her much about sex (and not allowing her to use tampons which according to her were only "for women who have already had a child"), she indirectly urged Anne to discover it by herself. Otto Frank seemed to be a little more open to such topics. Anne writes that her father told her about prostitutes and about "presentives" -- she used the somehow awkward German word "Präsentivmittel" which is an amalgam of "Präservativ" (condom) and "Präventionsmittel" (contraception). Of course it would have been difficult for Peter and Anne to have sex in such confined space, with vigilant adults around. But not entirely impossible. Peter is described as a somehow shy boy. He was embarrassed when he heard that Margot and Anne were discussing what he had told Anne together. I guess they certainly would have had sex if Anne (as it seems) didn't turn away from him in the end. Her writings about love, marriage, sex and "honor" make sure that she condones pre-marital sex. But on the later pages we read that she, being quite mature then, discovered that Peter is superficial as far as many things are concerned.
And, yes, the "presentives" (sorry, couldn't resist…) Well, maybe the Frank parents were using them, too. They only had two children, which means that they either stopped having sex after Anne's birth or, that they used some sort of birth control. Known means back then were the rhythm method, condoms (according to my grandfather, condoms were sold by barbers, back then), diaphragms and withdrawal. -- It is quite certain that the Frank parents didn't have sex in the Achterhuis regularly, with daughter Margot sleeping in the same room (after Fritz Pfeffer moved into Anne's room).
I think if Anne had slept with Peter (with or without protection) she would have recorded it in her diary. And even if the pages about the incident had been removed…the familiy would have treated Peter differently (and they would have found out about it, I think). The already existing tension between the Frank and the van Pels family would have gotten worse.
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They left some stuff of a sexual nature in the original copy, I remember reading some stuff about how she said "I go into ecstacies every time I see the figure of a woman." and "I thought I should prove my friendship with Hannah by feeling her breats" a few other statements like that. Im not sure if thats what was edited
shareI think I remember hearing that her father also took out things she mentioned about him. I can see how they'd take the sexual stuff out in most additions, since it is the holocaust story most used in schools to teach about the subject. God forbid Anne Frank be displayed as a full person with sexual urges like everyone else. Having been persecuted by Nazis I doubt Anne would have appreciated the censorship.
shareAnne wanted to touch Jacqueline's breasts, not Hannah's, they even show that in this movie.
shareReally? Oh, wait, my teacher only showed us the part from when the Secret Annex was discovered until the credits. Darn it! I want ot see this movie!
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"One of them came out recently and has a couple more pages that were released after the others."
Just curious; does this mean that one has more pages from the original diary than the other?
I looked them both up and it sounds like "The Revised Critical Edition" (newer than "The Critical Edition") has a lot more stuff included than "The Definitive Edition".
I sort of wondered "how far" they went, b/c after the scene when they kissed, he rushed in the kitchen(?) and something like "We got to..." but then he didn't finish his thought.
I didn't think they actually had intercourse, but him trailing off like that made me wonder what he was going to say. Anyone have any ideas?
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No. The diary, even with pages missing, offers a clear picture of who Anne was and how she was brought up.
She was, all her antics notwithstanding, not only highly intelligent but a "good girl" (and I mean that in the nicest possible way).
The pages her father tore out were mainly about very private things, including thoughts on her mother, that Otto didn't consider fit for public consumption.
(And who could blame him?)
The definitive edition has all the parts that Otto removed from the previous edition (so it says in the beginning of the book)……
All the intimate details Anne wrote about her & Peter didn’t exceed their goodnight kiss & their talk about the human sexual organs…. at their days I think children their age were a lot A LOT more innocent than today’s children!!… plus sex was a HUGE thing for unmarried adults .. let alone children!!
for a moment I thought she had homosexual tendencies.. the way she was talking about the female body and how she longed for a girlfriend and such!!!!
I had the pleasure of visiting the Anne Frank house in Amestrdam.. it was such an amazing experienec to walk around in the rooms that Anne and her people in hidding lived in !!! very very amazing experience.
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He tore the pages out because she wrote a lot of negative things about her family. I'm not sure if they did have sex, though.
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No I believe they were some pages relating to his marriage that were uncomplimentary to his wife. It was, after all, an arranged marriage. When he edited he left out some of her curious musings about sex, though. No, I do not think she and Peter had sex. No opportunity for one thing, and nice girls just didn't do that then.
shareI read the diary about 9 years ago when I was 12. I have a vague memory of Anne mentioning a uncontrollable desire to do ''something'' with Peter and just managing to resist.
I always thought she was alluding to sex. But i agree they probably never had sex for all the reasons already mentioned.
It would be interesting to read the diary again. Now that I'm so much older(nearly 21) and have a boyfriend of my own, Anne and Peters relationship will probably seem quite sweet and naive. At 12, it seemed so daring and grown up to me!
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Now that I am older, as much as I worshiped that book as a girl, I really find it very useless, unlike the film, in being any use in understanding what happened during the war. I can understand perfectly why many schools, including the ones my kids attended, are now using "Night" as their WWII book.
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