I understand the director is a bit of pervert but what's with that scene and then also the scene of Rachel Minor using the toilet butt naked?
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You mean the scene right after he raped Ali and he's buck-naked washing his dong in the sink and his dad walks in and they start talking about opening a stereo business??? Then Bobby insists they hire Marty???
Yeah, that scene was just bizarre. What type of father walks in on his 18/19-yearold son while he's washing his dong in the family sink, then talks to him about opening a stereo business?
I think Larry Clark just has a perverted mind.
Back in the 60's he was some kind of photographer that documented "communal living" and the "sexual revolution" and I think he tries to incorporate the 60's sexual revolution into his films...
For some reason It's like he tries to portray modern teenage culture as some 60's style commune sexfest orgy...
I suppose I cant say he's wrong at times but he takes it way to far at other times. Like the scene you speak of in your OP with the dad and a few scenes in Ken Park...
I suppose the only quasi-appropriate movie he did was that movie with the Mexican punk rocker skateboard kids, and Another Day in Paradise with James Woods... Both are without question rated R but are surely less sexual or have less odd sexual innuendo than Kids, Bully, Ken Park or Teenage Cavemen.
I actually didn't think much of the scene in the bathroom...Bobby didn't seem to mind and I guess that Kent Sr. felt that he urgently needed to have a chat with his son, so he didn't pay attention to the fact that Bobby was not fully dressed.
There is no indication that Fred Kent's behaviour was inappropriate in any way.
Some families tend to be more relaxed about nudity (though I wouldn't have felt comfortable if I were in Bobby's shoes).
I agree about the naked Rachel Miner using the toilet....it was a bit out of place (though the film as a whole goes overboard on the nudity/promiscuity factor).
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Ya really Rachel finding out she was pregnant in that way wasnt even in book in detail.
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Hadn't she just gotten out of bed? Lots of people sleep naked.
shareI agree that the scene with his dad in the bathroom was weird, but regarding Rachel Miner being naked, the book mentioned that the character she was based on would regularly lounge at home naked, so it was true to the non-fiction story.
shareI don't find anything weird in any of these two scenes. What is the problema with nacked people? Everybody has the same things. He's not a strange, is his father. How do you have a shower after a match, or gym class, in the locker room? dressed? It's his house, and is his father. And about the girl, when you are in your own house and you sleep naked it's stupid to dress up for going to the toilet. It's like in the movies when after having sex, the woman covers her brest, or wraps herself with the blanket, when she goes out of the bed. That's absurd.
shareIt's his house, and is his father.
Vij, grow up; not everyone is comfy being unclothed all the time.
shareWhat are you talking about? And who are you telling to grow up? Apparently, YOU'RE the one who needs to "grow up." You're the one so bothered by this scene, not me. There is nothing inherently wrong with a father talking to his son while his son is undressed. Is it unusual? Perhaps. But I think "creepy" is too strong a word. It's not like some strange man wandered into Bobby's room and caught him with his drawz off. And I don't think that there is anything in the film to suggest that Bobby's father has sexually abused him. People who think that are bringing their own baggage into the scene. However, there is a strong implication that Bobby has been verbally and perhaps even physically abused by his old man.
Now, maybe the dad should've knocked, but it's his house. A kid should have no expectation of privacy in his parents' house. Privacy when you're a kid is a luxury, not a right. I know people who don't allow locks on their teenagers' doors.
And who is "unclothed all the time?"
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Did you miss somehow that I was talking to Vij?
shareDid YOU miss somehow that you replied to me?
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No hon, I clearly said "Vij".
shareOkay, apparently, you're a bit slow. When you reply to someone's post, they get an email alerting them to said reply, just as I received an email about this latest post. You OBVIOUSLY clicked the reply button on MY post, or I wouldn't have been alerted. It doesn't matter what you said or who you addressed it to. It came to me. And if you nest the threads, you will see that your post is positioned under mine. You may not have meant to, but you did indeed reply to MY post.
And there is no one on this thread named "Vij," hon.
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Vir, as in Virjiro. Did you really not figure out that that's who I meant and that aside from whatever I may have clicked, I very clearly didn't address you, and chose instead to react as though I did and demand some explanation for something, again, never said to you? You've wasted far more of my time deliberately than any accident on my part.
shareI've wasted YOUR time? That's funny. No, your carelessness and blind defensiveness has wasted your time. You carelessly sent me a reply by mistake. You carelessly misspelled that other person's name. And YES, I knew who were talking about--AFTER your second post to me. Then, you proceed to get defensive with me as if I had done something to you, when it was YOU who replied to the wrong person in the first place. Forgive me for replying to a post that appeared in my mailbox. And if you were so worried about your precious time being wasted, you could have helped yourself by not engaging with me again and again, being defensive and condescending. Simply stated, you could've ignored me and I would've left the whole thing alone. Clearly, you had time to waste.
Your mistake, your bad. You should own it.
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I do not know if he was molested by Dad, but I doubt it, as to that creepy scene, it is possible that there is a cultural aspect on this we are not up on here.
Watching Stahl in the film only, you would no inkling that neither father nor Bobby himself, are Americans.
they are middle-easterners...which also suggests a case of basic mis-casting with Stahl, as good a job as he did with what he had....
"How do you have a shower after a match, or gym class, in the locker room?"
Would you anti-prude people stop using that bullshi* example?
I think Bobby was sexually abused by his father, and this strange scene proved it!
shareYeah, I didn't think it was so creepy; it was the director showing how oblivious the dad was to anything but what he wanted to say and do. Bobby's dad clearly had no idea how to talk to his son, but was desperate to get Bobby onto doing something constructive — he was just grabbing any idea he thought might make a difference (like talking about the stereo store). No wonder Bobby was screwed up.
And for those saying Bobby was washing his dong — no, he was washing his hands. He repeatedly washed his hands through the first part of the movie, scrubbing frantically, every time he got agitated, which I think was meant to suggest he was OCD. That fits with him being a bully, because he always wanted to be in control.
You might very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment.
Yeah even if Bobby's dad walked in on him naked in the bathroom, Bobby would have either pulled his boxers up or his Dad should have handed him a bath towel to wrap around his waist...IDC what he was washing on his bod...the real Bobby Kent was a steroid-induced musclebound bad-ass & maybe that scene played out in such an incestuous naked fashion b/c as a bodybuilder he was probably obsessed with the male form & didn't care to cover up when his father was confronting him!
My parents always respected the privacy of my brother and myself when we were that age! If they wanted to speak to us about an important matter, they would have at least knocked on the LOCKED bathroom door & requested our presence!
I also hated the way Marty & his younger bro ate breakfast, lunch & dinner shirtless especially with their grandmother present! My mother would have been livid if my brother or I sat at the dining room table half-naked!
Not Marty's fault b/c he expressed his interest in moving away, plus its hot in Florida and the state sucks huge elephant balls! I'm from Louisiana and its a totally corrupt scene here but I think Florida has even Arkansas, Georgia, Mississippi and Alabama beat in the crime department!
WHITE TRASH!
And I bet if you trace Bobby's real-life behavior back to his childhood, I definitely think he was abused by his father as a child and well into his young teens. Nick Stahl didn't have the physical steroid-induced presence that Kent possessed so the scene seems perverse especially with his pubes and half of his penis (or was that the whole thing?) featured prominently in the mirror??? The gay porn, gay nightclub and his obvious obsession with Marty were dead giveaways, and I'll bet it all started with his Dad!
Just answer this, how many of you guys out there (regardless of your endowment) would allow your father to walk in on you naked & proceed to hold a serious conversation with you??? Your alleged friends are somewhere in the house & all theories (especially my own) about parental sexual & physical abuse, who would have asked your dad if you could get dressed first & have the big talk about the future of a second-rate Radio Shack after you kick your wigger friends out of your house and put on boxer shorts? It would have taken 5 minutes for Bobby to at least wrap a bath towel around him & ask his friends to leave? In the real-life dramatics, I'm assuming that Bobby's father initially molested him (which he in turn did to Marty) and/or that since Bobby was on steroids and loved showing off his beefy frame, he either didn't care if his Dad saw him naked or got off on the exhibitionism!
The scene was super-weird. I am quite open about nudity and don´t really have any problem with it. However, I just think it´s unnormal to go to someone while he´s taking a shower and talking to them. You don´t really do this to anyone, not even your partner. And I am not really ashamed of being seen nude by anyone BUT my parents. So I just thought that scene was odd, but I don´t really think it hinted at anything as the director seemed a pervert anyway. Most of the actors were half-naked half of the time. And while this is indeed normal in Florida it is not normal for how the state is prtrayed on TV.
It totally disagree about Florida being a very dangerous /criminal place. It really is not. I don´t know how people came up with that. It´s actually pretty save.
Ohh, thank you puirt; that makes more sense.
shareMy interpretation of the scene was that the dad was oblivious to what went on in Bobby's life and frankly didn't want to know, all he wanted was for him to grow up 'properly'. When Ali bumps into his Bobby's dad after she gets raped, he obviously sees something went on but decides to ignore it. As with other parents, when the kids were arguing or something was going on, they asked their kids about it but Bobby's dad didn't. The awkward scene just shows how careless Bobby's dad was about his life growing up as a young boy.
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