how did they win the chess match without hurting any other pieces besides a bishop and a queen side rook?
I have played chess numerous time; however, it would mean that they would have to checkmate the king, on the other side of the board, without harming any of the other pieces, in the process.
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I wonder if anyone done a reconstruction and analysis of the chess match from the book?
shareThere is a way to do a two move checkmate; however, it does not harm the bishop nor the rook.
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Have you googled any info on this? I found this but not sure if that covers the chess chamber:
http://dev.jeremysilman.com/shop/pc/Creating-the-Harry-Potter-Chess-Position-p3692.htm
No. I sort of just wait for the responders to do the work for me. I will have to read this all when I get back from my job.
Good work though!
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All right, I had some time today to read the link you posted and apparently, it could be somewhat recreated. The only thing is, how is it that pieces that Hermoine and Harry replace are the only ones gone? So if we went by the notion that the pieces reset, this would not be the case as the bishop and rook did not reset. This would mean that in wizards chess, once a piece is demolished, it stays demolished.
Now, we could go by the fact that "maybe" two pieces were all ready missing, to make it hard for intruders to pass that room. Question is: how did Quirrel and Voldemort pass it or split as two beings to take up those two spots? This is what leads me to go back to the original "how is it that only two pieces were demolished?"
Since Microsoft Silverlight was giving me problems, I could not see the actual animation for the chess demonstrations on that link; however, the link does mention that it could just very well be movie mumbo jumbo.
Kind of a bummer because if it was done realistically, chess enthusiasts would have been happy to see that everything fit together. Part of what is wrong with movies now days are errors spotted by people who specialize in hobbies that are shown in the movies. If it is not done right, it really makes one think there was a solution.
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Well I only have basic chess knowledge. So I'm not sure what the meaning of the reset is. I thought the sequence implied a "montage" of them playing chess for quite a while.
But I distinctly remember that there were broken pieces at the edge of the room at the beginning of the scene. Not sure if that rules anything out since there definitely has to be some magic involved in repopulating the board when they arrive.
Oh wait, you were not the one who said reset.
I think what the other guy meant by reset was that, after Quirrell and Voldemort were done, the pieces reset themselves.
Now it is possible that Voldemort and Quirrell could have possibly reset pieces EXCEPT the rook and the bishop; knowing that Harry, Ron, and Hermoine would have shown up. Then again, why were only two pieces absent and not three?
I really want to think there is a resolution to this; however, it is all up to the audience I guess.
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Maybe Quirrell started to play chess and then Voldemort got impatient and just blasted his way through? ;)
shareNow that would be getting into another topic. Does Voldemort have control only when Quirrell allows him out of his turban or even when he is covered up as well? I think Quirrell still has control of his body as, in the movie, he has to order Quirrell to "kill him" in reference to Harry.
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Yeah I think so too. He probably could inflict immense pain on him to force him though. Or maybe even infiltrate his mind. But it really was just a silly joke. Although I probably would do that if I could instead of playing a lengthy game of chess lol.
shareIf I remember correctly from the book, Ron decided whitch pieces they would replace. The knight, bishop and rook left the chessboard, making room for Harry, Ron & Hermoine.
I guess it was similar with Quirrell/Voldemort ^^
This was changed in the movie.
you need to review this scene again. as the trio approached the board t of the margins of the board are littered with broken chess pieces. but soon the board is restored with the three pieces already missing. the magic that controlled the board selected which pieces were missing.
Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain (Isaac Asimov)
I do remember that, however, that was what I was questioning. Those chess pieces could have been the broken rook and bishop.
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when Quirrel approached the board only one piece would be missing. which piece we do not know. when the trio approached the board missed a rook, bishop, and one knight had no rider. the magic selected these pieces. it had nothing to do with the previous game.
Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain (Isaac Asimov)
Does it specifically say that somewhere (preferably the book) or are we assuming?
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In the book, the board was full when they approached. Ron decided which pieces the trio would be replacing and the three pieces left the playing field.
From SS p 282 (Ron talking first):
"Well Harry, you take the place of that bishop, and Hermione, you go next to him instead of that castle."
"What about you?"
"I'm going to be a knight," said Ron.
The chessmen seemed to have been listening because at these words, a knight, a bishop, and a castle turned their backs and walked off the board, leaving these empty spaces that Harry, Ron, and Hermione took."
The movie just had the bishop and castle spaces empty with Ron climbing atop of one of the knights. There was no reason for their absences. Interestingly, in the book Ron ran around the board to get better looks of the action and telling the different pieces where to go while also remembering where he was.
Bob
Well as illogical as that sounds, Ron moving around on his own free will and still being a part of the game; JK Rowling still wrote it. So if that was what was written, then I'll let it be. Thanks!
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