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Strong women characters? Start the name calling....


So .. she's an orphan with a ZERO start in a tough world. Choices are to starve to death or try to marry well (in those days).

I have not read the book, where apparently Becky Sharp is more backstabbing, and conniving. That said, in the movie I didn't find ANYTHING she did to be immoral. The only reason she went with the Marquis was because, while a nice guy, her gambling-addict of a husband lost every red dime they could get their hands on. She didn't yield to the utter SNOBS everywhere and she always took care of herself and tried to look out for her son. She truly was in love with her husband.

I just don't see where people are calling her a prostitute, etc etc - standard names for strong female characters. GASP - she might even want to VOTE (OMG - FAINT).

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The only reason she went with the Marquis was because, while a nice guy, her gambling-addict of a husband lost every red dime they could get their hands on.

Nope.
Rawdon lost his own money, and truth be told he won a lot more than lost because it's implied that he was a cards/billiards shark (he also cheated). He couldn't "lose" Becky's money because he didn't know about Becky's secret stash. The truth is that he always shared everything he had with her, but she never shared hers with him-- particularly, she left him in the sponging house instead of redeeming his notes (she could have bailed him out).

the reason she went with the Marquis is because she had her sights set on even bigger fish. he was her entree into the top echelons of English society. (Through him she is introduced to the Prince Regent.) She didn't "need" the Marquis to survive (though she did enjoy the money he spent on her). She needed him because doing "well" wasn't good enough for Becky-- she had to aim even higher.

I just don't see where people are calling her a prostitute, etc etc - standard names for strong female characters. GASP - she might even want to VOTE

Exaggerate much?

It is females like Becky that give strong women who have character a bad name. Becky isn't trying to survive. She's trying to get as much as she can. She's aiming for it ALL. And she uses sexual manipulation, lying, cheating, etc. to get it. What about the honest, hard-working women she cheats out of their rent money? What about the inheritance she bilked from her sheepdog/paid companion?

she [...] tried to look out for her son

Um, no. She manipulated Steyne into sending little Rawdy away to school so she could get rid of him.

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I think you're talking about plot points from the book that aren't in the movie. There's nothing shown in the movie to make one believe that Becky is a terrible person. She sticks by her husband until he gets annoyed with how much they have to economize (due to his gambling losses). I didn't think it was clear how long she'd had her stash of money. I think she got it from Steine. If she kept it from her husbamd, it was most likely so that he wouldn't lose it. Of course he shared everythings he had with her because she wouldn't gamble it away. Even his aunt said he needed a smart woman to protect him from himself.

I don't think the movie did a good job of explaining the son going off to school. Surely the husband knew they couldn't afford it and Steine was paying for it?

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The movie:Becky didn't have a maternal bone in her body. Contrast her attitude to her son, versus Amelia's to her son as shown first by Becky's disinterest in Rawdie's development (first steps), and later in her allowing Steyne to push her into sending the boy off to school. She even remains distant and out of contact with her son after her husband knowing her disinterest, ("A cat's a better mother, as Dobbin says"), leaves Rawdie to the care of his elder brother and Lady Jane when Steyne causes him to be exiled to a distant post never to return.
Amelia did not want to send little George away until shamed into it by her mother because of the advantages to Georgie of living with John Osborne. It killed her to give him up, and she continued to subject herself to Osborne's scorn and her son's burgeoning snobbery to stay in contact with the boy.
The one loyalty that Becky does retain is to Amelia. She repels George's advances and in time causes Amelia to see the truth about George, and accept, at last, Dobbin's love.
In my opinion, Becky was incapable of loving anyone but herself, and usually acted in her own best interests.Amelia'a mother noting Becky's attempts to rise above her origins, remarks that she had taken Becky for a social climber, but now realized she was a 'mountaineer'. Becky herself said upon Rawdon's angry discovery of her hidden money, provided to her by Steyne after he had satisfied Moss, the bill collector. "I loved you as much as I could." Rawdon loved Becky whole-heartedly. She knew she was marrying a gambler. She probably didn't count on his being disinherited because of her or had an unrealistic faith in her own resourefulness. When he is summoned to war, Rawdon's main concern was not his possible death, but Becky's welfare in his absence, giving her an accounting of all of their assets.
Steyne is always clear about his intentions toward Becky, but she continues to accept his favors, and balks only when the payment he expects comes due.

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