Mexicans...


I thinck this movie is great in script, avfull y the direction y more awfull is that Mexico is painted like a total desert, and that all are ugly, poor, and violent, and even worst that we stay in the cantina everyday drinking tequila, you know, mexico is preety cool, in some aspects, is more cool than USA, and i am mexican and i am not ugly or alcoholic, not enven violent, so is this movie is a "satira" of mexican people, i take more like an offense, because that is what it is.
What dou you have to say respect this..i would like to know!!

Alekx "Yo solo quiero un pedazito de mundo pa mi" Garcia Diaz

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This guy Jerry, he moves in the underworld, in L.A. as well as in Mexico. The people he deals with are gangsters, I think it is obvious that they are not ordinary people. Nobody with a brain in his head would believe that this is how Mexicans are in reality. And I know that not all of Mexico is desert, but parts are, and although this is maybe a cliché of Mexico, the movie is set in a desert part of your country. It looks beautiful, though, a sparse, severe beauty.


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Mexico is not only portrayed as a desert... I hate the fact of seeing that whenever an american movie shows Mexico, you see little towns, very old cars, people traveling in donkeys, wearing hats etc, ok this is a part of Mexico but It makes foreinger people believe that Mexico is just like this. I´ve met some of those people who was very surprised to see how Mexico is for real I just can´t believe this,
Does American filmmakers has something against Mexico????
or they are just afraid of admitting that the US is not the only country with big cities, luxury cars, rich people, very big malls etc, etc...

BTW: Did u know that México city is considered the biggest city in THE WORLD.

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My thoughts on Mexico come straight from man of fire.

Better To Reign In Hell, Than To Serve In Heaven.

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I love Mexico. Been there, have family there, have traveled extensively within it.

But having said that, Real de catorce is exactly the piece of crap town it is shown to be in the film (only with a diff. name).

So what the hell are people bitching about? El pueblo es realmente asi de feo/pobre/polvoriento.

G.

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I never said it didn´t exist, but the point is that they only show the ugly parts, not the big , nice cities... Algunas personas tienen el cerebro viejo, pobre y polvoriento...

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Mexico does have ugly rural parts like any other country, but Mexico is 74% urban, so why not show that in movies for a change instead of the other measly 26%? Why, because when an American movie is about another nation of part of the world they stereotype.

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I agree 100% with both of you guys. What i am pointing out though is that that particular town is exactly as shown in the movie (except for the name of course).

G.

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Hey fernanda_03-2! I totally agree with you and want to thank you for pointing it out.
I would like to add that Americans seem to have a thing against "rest of the world". In American movies they tend to show British, French, Germans as arrogant clowns; Chinese/Japanese people etc as mean pigs; South Americans and Caribeans as shamefully poor oafs, Hindus and Muslims as stone-age fundamentalist malicious a$$holes. Americans would always find a way to portray rest of the world as inferior as possible in the storyline, no matter it is a serious movie or funny movie. Remember, Red corner, Spy Game, European Vacation (National Lampoon's), 3 Men and a Little Lady, so on..........

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Tottaly agree :-)!!!

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If you think you can portray Mexico and the rest of the world better, why don't you do so?

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If Americans are so terrible and Mexico is such a great country, then why are so many Mexicans trying to be American citizens?

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I can´t answer your question because even though I´m Mexican I have no Intentions of living in the U.S. you better ask somebody else. Maybe you can try in California, I´ve heard there are lots of latinos...

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alot of people from around the world are trying to be US citizens, bc United States has first class economy, and thats what those people are looking for, money.
thats all.

I hate the fact that most gringos think everyone in Mexico is trying to go to the US, they dont seem to realize that United States is the most hated country in the world. Personally i dislike alot of U.S... gobernment policies and lies, wars, arrogance, racism, etc, etc.
i have to admit US have some beautiful cities and a great economy,
but thats something i really dont care for.

U.S is the master of social engineering and you can very well see the example just by reviewing IMDB boards.

everyone was manipulated into supporting an unjustified war by the power of media and manipulated patriotism, just by remembering to do what gringos do everyday, watch tv.

part of that social engineering is making their society believe that they truly are rulers of the world...

but the fact is much more different than you are used and like to believe because of the natural love u have for your country, you perceive other countrys as inferior.

Mexico may have economical difficulties and corrupt politicians but our culture, and our country is something that we are DEEPLY proud of.

Border crossers are poor, uneducated people, sometimes they cant even speak spanish, they cross the border for hopes of surviving only to be ridiculized, psychologically and physically tortured by inhumane scum with white skin.

We have many differences and i deeply hope it remains that way.

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i agree with fernandah 03-2, americans r afraid dat mexico might be bigger then america =) *beep* theres more ppl in Mexico D.F. da *beep* city, then all of canada chyeaa

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so what's so great about cities and the so-called luxury? don't they mostly just represent the corruption of soul...? mexico city too is succumbing to its own size...

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Considered the largest city in the world by who, people that know nothing? Tokyo is twice the population of Mexico City, matter of fact, Mexico City is the FIFTH largest city in the world, right behind Seoul, Korea.
Now, if you're talking about the most crime-infested sh*thole on the planet, Mexico City is your place.

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oh, yeah, crime-infested sh*thole on the planet, that is...that´s why I don´t live there.

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Hello I am an American Muslim of Pakistani heritage. I can empathize with you.

Americans look at foreign topics and foreign lands through stereotypes, overgeneralizations and xenophobia. A Mexico that is a normal place would be mind-jarring to Americans, so they imagine it as a freakshow, which is what they are comfortable with.

The same thing happens in the USA, if you are not a white protestant, you go through life putting up with stereotypes.

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Hi,
I saw this movie for the first time last night. I'm replying to the whole thread. I'm mixed ancestry with brown skin and born in Los Angeles - so I've been aware and a bit more sensitive to portrayal of varieties of countries and cultures. I am no expert, just slightly more aware than Jane-American-MovieGoer.

There is something you all might not be aware of in the commentary in the DVD. The director thought all the actors he found out of Mexico city with their interesting faces were beautiful. He thought the town was beautiful, too. I can see how he was playing into a pre-formed stereotype but he spoke much of using the realism of what he found already there partly because he started with a small budget that was made smaller after the big names of Julia Roberts and Brad Pitt signed. So, the chassis drivers, the guy walking down the street with the wheel, etc were things they found there and wove into the movie. And the desert haze and set designs were authentic to what they found there and he thought there was no way to duplicate them in Los Angeles studios. He was grateful to be able to find them and have Mexican artists recreate so of them for indoor sets in Mexico.

The director sounded in awe of the beauty of Mexico and the interesting, expressive faces he cast. It certainly didn't sound like he was casting for "ugly".

As for negative insulting stereotypes - there was the written story of the gunslinger. And that was supposed to be the main storyline contrasted by the Leroy/Winston/Jerry Las Vegas Americans and the Mexicans. By the end the guy whose foot is shot makes a speech in the tunnel which sums it up as kind of "we're all the same". The third layer is the flashbacks to all the gunslinging with "The Mexican" pistol itself. Sooo - I'm not seeing that as negative either.

I think they did a pretty good job of making the Americans look as bad as the Mexicans in this movie. Brad's character was a bumbling idiot. His bosses were mostly cruel. Only 2 guys were on the right track and they were one American working on behalf of the Mexican family.

I think they were careful to balance how bad the Mexican characters looked with how bad the Americans looked. And to me, Mexico looked beautiful. I didn't see any beauty shots of the US in this movie. I've always heard people talk about how beautiful they think the desert is and how awful cities are.

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There are more Mexicans that try to get into the United States than any other ethnicity there is. Im not prejudice nor am I trying to sound like it but they are mostly the ones that give the Impression that their country is this really sh*tty place by risking their lives and the lives of their family members by trying to get over the borders.

Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.

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Border crossers are poor, uneducated people, sometimes they cant even speak spanish, they cross the border for hopes of surviving only to be ridiculized, psychologically and physically tortured by inhumane scum with white skin.

If it's so sad, then tell your friends to stay in Mexico. We don't want illegal immigrants here. It's illegal, and it's messing our country up. And I don't want to hear that stuff about; "Oh, but they work so hard." If they're such hard workers, how about they stay and help build their country up to be like "America", that they think they should be able to live in. Illegal immigrants have to make a living some way, and the way they do it, is illegal. That's the bottom line.

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You are a naive, sheltered idiot. Go *beep* yourself and die.


J.D.: I just Marcia Brady'd your ass.

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Compelling argument.

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Mexicans have the best food! The illegal immigrating is causing more Mexican restaurants and taco stands to open, thus making Americans fat!!!

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where are you from ralv55, if you are not a freakin racist gringo, where the hell do you live? I want to know what country has produced such intelligent dude!



BTW I don't know who is the idiot who said that the town depicted in the movie is ugly. That moron surely haven't been there.

The place is Real de Catorce, a kind of "Ghost Town". Yes it is desolated, dusty and most buildings are in ruins because as I've said before it's "A GHOST TOWN". yet That is it's main appeal, it's a mirror to the past, almost untouched by the modernity. In the past it was a very important mining town. but after the mines were abandoned the people let the town as well. The remains are there as a "living" evidence from the glorious days of the mining wealth.

I just wonder why Verbinsky picked a "ghost town" as the scenario for its mexican movie. Perhaps he wanted to preserve that stupid cliché about México, or perhaps he just fell in love with the magical beauty of Real de Catorce.
BTW there are many more abandoned or semi-abandoned mining towns in México, just like "Pozos" in Guanajuato, "Tejamen" Durango, "Bolaños" Jalisco or "Cerro de San Pedro", also in San Luis Potosí.

I have been in Real de Catorce (pretty close from my hometown) and the town is incredible, the atmosphere is so peaceful, the air is so pure, the landscapes are breathtaking. In fact it's a really beautiful place.

In the last years the town is kinda "reviving" due tourism but mainly because each year more and more gringos who are drug-addicts (What a surprise, isn't?) are traveling to Real de Catorce in order to get some "peyote". The sacred plant of the "Huichol" people. No matters if it's forbidden to cut peyote for non-huicholes people, still the gringos keeps coming to cut and eat the plant (ergo destroying it) and get doped. That's what they do the best in USA: To consume drugs.

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The little town that they showed in the movie looks a lot like the little town I grew up in.

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It's a movie, dude, and there's no getting around that there are parts of Mexico that are just like what was shown. Hell, there's parts of America that look like that too. Perhaps you'd have preferred it if everyone lived in condos in Puerto Vallarta, but that's not what the story was about.

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