mulan is the only character recognized to be a disney princess who is not actually a princess by birth or marriage. princess kida on the other hand is a princess, how come disney fails to recognize her as one of the disney princesses?
just so i know i'm not forgetting anything, the disney princesses go as so: snow white, cinderella, aurora, belle, ariel, jasmine, mulan (but not really), pocahontas, nala (do animals count?), and kida.
belle wasnt a princess till the end tho right?
and cinderella wasnt a princess either until the end???
i couldnt remember any other disney movies so i looked a few up and here are all the disney girls who aren't royal
jane (tarzan)
esmerelda (hunchback of Nortre dame)
belle
mulan
cinderella
also what i was wondering about disney movies is why there aren't any ones set in modern times Atlantis was set in the 30s im guessing (which i thought was tray cool) but i just wonder why theres none that i can think of in the modern times?
lilo and stitch is. i <3 stitch.
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yeah, me and my friends talk a lot about the cure, so that means we live in the 80s. right.
by the way. the 50s is still part of the modern era of the united states.
"Lilo and stitch was set in the 50's becuz
lilo talked alot about elvis"
No it wasn't. first of all look at the people neither men or women used nowadays swinmsuits in the 50s and that black dude (i don't remember his name) was a CIA agent in the 70s he says that at the end.
Oliver and Company was set in modern times when it came out in the late 80's.
shareWasn't there a princess in Black Cauldron?
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The movies that do take place in modern times are usually misconstrued to being more of a period film simply because it takes place is some place like London, though I do agree that it's rare to see a disney film in modern times, though back in the 60's and 70's they were modern time when they came out, but we watch them now and see the realities of the 60's and 70's, and often they confuse viewers thinking it takes place further back by making the settings in other locales that arent as technically advanced as USA was in those days. Another valid reason is that Disney bases a lot of it's movies from books, and most books that they do are childrens books that were published years and years ago, and even then were set in the past. We need more movies like Treasure Planet that either parody an existing well-known story, or simply is set in the future or 'star wars esque' circumstances (galaxy far far away where even though it was a long time ago they had impressive technology.)
shareI fail to see any connection between my post and yours, backtothefuturegym.
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In reply to Atlantis being set in the 30's:
Uhh... pretty sure it says at the start of the movie: Washington, DC 1914.
Also, I'm pretty sure if you marry a Prince you become King and Queen.
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On the subject of 'Who are the REAL Disney Princesses'?
I'm sure that the name "Disney Princess" is just a trademark, kind of like "Shamu" for Sea World. Even though she died way back in 1971, they still call all their adult whales Shamu on stage.
Likewise, Disney Princesses started out as fairytale princesses but when Disney started animating strong, independant women whome they concidered good role models, the Disney Princess title was applied to them in the sense that they are the Princesses of the Disney franchise and family, rather than their characters being actual royalty.
Disney know their audience, and by creating admirable female characters that will be watched by thousands of little girls they ensure every one of those little girls gets taught the lesson that to be fair, and good, and wise makes you a little princess, whether you're parading around in a pink dress or scaling trees with the boys covered in mud.
Try not to get too distracted by a marketing ploy by trying to find truth in it.
Also, I'm pretty sure if you marry a Prince you become King and Queen.
I spy a fallacy in your statement. It doesn't work like that in most monarchies. In the Netherlands, the reigning king or queen usually resigns from the throne, which is then taken over by the next in line. I think it's also like that in Belgium and Scandinavia.
But you're right to say that you don't necessarily become a queen when marrying a prince. All children of monarchs are princes and princesses, but don't all take the throne.
"What's Pre-Revolutionary France doing on a spaceship? Get a little perspective!"
Etymology Man away!
shareDisney is actually in the works of making a Rapunzel movie - so Kida isn't the last princess really.
And a very good point about Mulan that many others have noted - but she doesn't even get married until the second movie, so there is no possible way they could just forget that she wasn't a princess. I think that mainly - a Disney Princess is such a big brand name for little girls, and Mulan is a rather popular role model character that they wanted to have her in there as well - but they didn't want to change the name of the brand because being a 'princess' is such a big deal when relating to Disney.
As for Kida - she doesn't seem to be such a popular character - and Disney usually will respond to popularity at times .. such as all the Nightmare Before Christmas things, or the sudden out burst of their being SO many Stitch or Tinkerbell things, while other characters are typically ignored. Another point may be that Disney had strongly pushed the demographic of Atlantis towards boys that they completely pushed girls out of interest. Kida is a pretty cool character - but I've never heard of any little girl wanting to be her or wanting to dress up as her. She doesn't have the same sort of bright clothing as the other princesses.
Or maybe it's because she wasn't the main character? That could be just the reason - and thus she isn't completely viewed as a heroine to girls. More or so, I would say the other females in the film had a bit more coverage - but they just don't happen to be in dresses etc.
So as to why Disney ignores her, I'm not totally sure -- but I think overall, it's probably because of the lack of popularity of the movie. You'll notice at Disney stores (especially the ones at the parks) - they have a LOT of what's popular .. or if it happens to not be popular, than at the very least it is still a new movie. You'll notice they lack merchandise in some of their 'lower viewed' movies - such as Black Cauldren (spelling? it's late and i'm tired ..) - or even Emporer's New Groove - which is ironic because it didn't do well at the box office, but almost everyone I know absolutely LOVES the movie. So go figure. I just know - if you look up merchandise for Atlantic, most of it will be boy stuff.
rapunzel really? i hope people won't attack me for this, but i think it's an okay idea. i've always wondered why disney hasn't in the past monopolized on other princess tales, one in my mind is the princess and the pea. or the frog prince. or rumplestiltskin. but yeah. that's cool imo.
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Just kidding.
Yeah, it would be nice to see Rapunzel. I miss the old animation though, I hope they use that.
to artemis2000 - belle and cinderella are princesses because they marry princes!!!!
sharePrincess Eilonwy form the Black Cauldron is also a Disney Princess by birth . but Disney seems to have forgotten her :(
here's more non-royalty heroines
Blue Fairy (Pinocchio)
Alice
Wendy
Shanti ( girl from Jungle Book)
Maid Marian (I'm not sure if Maids are royalty are not)
Chicha ( Pacha's wife from TENGroove)
Sarah Hawkins/Capt. Amelia
Yes, but her movie wasn't a financial success.
Disney tends to try and forget their financial shortcomings... kindof like what they're trying to do with this movie.
If it isn't a cash cow, it pretty much doesn't exist to them.
Another interesting fun fact: Did you know "Atlantis" and "The Black Cauldron" are the only Disney animated features that are rated PG?
"Just because you ARE a character, doesn't mean you HAVE character."
-Winston Wolf
Good point, jessieg-1. Although I recall playing Atlantis in my pool and being Kida for a considerable amount of time after the movie. I also saw a jpg. of a girl dressed as Princess Mononoke, so fortunately, there are those who reflect the fashion of non- traditional cartoon princesses at Halloween. Disney is an effed-up corpoation mostly relying now on merchandising, and we can't entirely balme them. After all they've been around for almost a century, and they can do something right (POTC!)
shareBelle is a Disney princess. Not only is she on all of the posters, books, games, and every other type of merchandise disney has managed to crank out, but she also marries the Beast (they may not show it, but why wouldn't she marry him? Who else is she gonna get hitched to, Lumiere?) plus at the very end, when the camera leaves the ballroom through the stained glass window, Belle is shown on the window with a crown on her head. She. Is. A. Princess.
shareEveryone always seems to forget about Princess Eilonwy from "The Black Cauldron"
shareA goofy movie is set in present times, lol
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This is what I'm thinking... if you want to get technical about it, I think the only real Disney princesses are Belle, Ariel, Snow White, Jasmine and Cinderella (and possibly Pocahontas...) For one, they're the only ones I've seen advertised as part of the collection. Secondly, they come from movies that have become classics, the standards by which many judge Disney's animated films. They've earned their positions, if you will. Women like Chicha (even though she was awesome) and Kida (I also liked her) are sort of like supporting characters. But if we're going by movie here, then this definitely includes Kida, Nala, Mulan, Esmeralda, Jane, and Megara from Hercules-- pretty much any other leading female in a Disney film.
Hm, Rapunzel, sounds interesting. I also would like to see it done in traditional animation.
You forgot Aurora from Sleeping Beuty
shareI've seen Esmerelda from Hunchback of Notre Dame advertised as a Disney Princess, even though she was on the opposite end of the social spectrum from a princess.
Strange things are afoot at the Circle K...
I think that might have something to do with the fact that Disney disowned that film :/
shareNeither Pocahontus or Belle is actualluly princess.
sharefaline on bambi cuz shes with bambi and hes prince so...
sharebelle, marries a prince therefore a princess
pocahontas, daughter of tribe leader(wat ever), therefore a princess
i rest my case
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Lilo and Stitch is set in this time. Just because she likes Elvis doesn't mean it was in the 1950s You can still have record players and such. Also in Nani's bedroom there is a poster of Mulan, so must be set in this time.
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The six truly recognized Disney princesses are Snow White, Cinderella, Aurora, Ariel, Belle, and Jasmine. Pocahontas may be the chief's daughter, but she's never referred to as a princess. Mulan is not a princess in any respect, just a heroine.
shareunless it was in one of the crummy sequels, we never see Belle get married so she is NOT a princess and is defintiely NOT a princess by birth!
She's never a princess in the movie, but it's screamingly obvious that she marries the Beast. It's the way Disney movies are set up. We never see snow White marry her prince either. Saying Belle didn't get married is like saying the Beast's parents named him Beast because we don't hear another name for him.
shareBelle married the Prince who used to be a beast.
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Let me shed some light on this. Actually Mulan & Pocahontas are also referred to as princesses as the ones that you've shared. Pocahontas is known as an Indian Princess. I work at Disney and they like to refer to almost every single female that is a heroine can be referred to as a princess. You just have to see the fairy tale in it.
sharePocahontus is supposed to be an Indian princess, but you're right about Belle. Technically we didn't see she and the Beast get married. We just saw that they ended up together, so it's implied. I wish that they would have ended up with a beautiful big wedding! But I still like the way that it ended.
shareOK, my little cousin has a box set of Disney Princess books. There are books for
Ariel
Cinderella
Snow White
Belle
Jasmine
Sleeping Beauty
Mulan
Dot
Kida
Alice
Pocahontas
That cowgirl from Toy Story 2
These, I'm guessing are the official Disney Princesses.
I have a picture of 12 disney princesses and Kida's one of them. But I don't know if it's an actual poster pic or someones art work.
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faugh. native americans do NOT have princesses!! land sakes alive. they are not called princesses!
-Dakoters
I'm so excited for the Princess and the Frog one to come out!!!
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In almost every poster, promotional, book, etc there are only six princesses:
Snow White, Cinderella, Aurora, Ariel, Belle and Jasmin.
Pocahontas and Mulan are sometimes cosidered to be princesses but not everytime. I think the last Disney Princess was Jasmin.
in the sequel when Pocahontas sees King James near the end of the movie, she refers to herself as a princess
for Disney, the term "princess" doesn't necessarily mean the daughter of a royal, it usually just counts as the female protagonist from their films. you see another example in the Kingdom Hearts video game. there are seven princesses of heart in there who are
Cinderella
Snow White
Aurora
Belle
Jasmine
Alice
and Kairi who is a character from the game. she definitely wasn't a princess and neither was Alice. Belle obviously wasnt either as she had not married the Beast yet. Ariel also appears in the game but is not one of the princesses, despite being a proper one herself
I don't believe in tiny Jewish santa anymore
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