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Ocean and Funimation screwed this show up and made it confusing


This is something I posted on the Pojo.com boards, and figured I should post it here to see what people here think. Now the post isn't bashing the quality of the dubs such as voice acting and music, but just the multiple different dubs and redubs we got out of this show. I have to say, the dubbing of Dragonball Z is just so confusing. You just have a mess of all this dubbing and redubbing it's hard to keep track of what to follow.

When the Ocean group had the show, there was massive edits that resulted in the first 68 episodes to be reduced to 53. Funimation then took over the dubbing from the Ocean group after the 53/68 episodes. Funimation would then go back and redub the first two seasons and they would also go about redubbing some of their own episodes following episode 68 which would be all of Season 3 I think. Frankly I found the whole thing to be pointless anyway. Sure, the Ocean dub had it's share of edits and episode reduction and Funimation wanted to fix that but hey, the episode reduction sped the story up a bit so I had no real objection to that. Funimation was following from that dud, so to go back and basically kick it out of dub continuity was stupid. Now what I mean by "dub continuity" is basically what is followed in the official dub airing of an anime. So you have Pokémon for example. When TAJ Productions took over from 4Kids after Season 8, they simply followed on from the 4Kids dub with the name changes and casting voice actors who could voice the characters the same way the 4Kids cast did for consistency. Until all of Seasons 1-8 are redubbed, the 4Kids episodes will remain part of the dub canon in the English language.

Anyway, Funimation redubbing Seasons 1 and 2 now meant the Ocean era would never be available on sites airing the Funimation dub of the show and it also means the early Funimation episodes that were redubbed themselves would also not be available. Funimation doing the redubbing would also would cause continuity problems with their own dub continuity. At the start of the Funi portion, the voices were undeveloped. So to watch in order from the newly dub episodes with developed voices and then transitioning to the portion where they aren't so developed is awkward. Plus, some of the voice acting in the Funimation redub was rather too developed that it came off as a bit bad. Chris Sabat was also replacing quite a few people here and it would be awkward hearing his Vegeta voice in several other characters. Funimation was best just leaving the show the way it was even if the episode count was greatly reduced.

Now my beef with the Ocean group is them deciding to touch the show again after Funimation replaced them. I heard it had to do with Canada not being allowed to air the American dub version. Well if that's the case, oh well. There dub was already being continued off of and they would skip lots of episodes when they did return anyway and they never went back to fill in their gap so I can see it being quite weird if they were to ever rerun that show and then skip episodes entirely. It should have just been Ocean dub of Seasons 1 and 2, then Funimation for the rest, then the Funimation dub of the Dragonball Z Kai series. The KAI series made it even more confusing since now you had yet another Dragonball Z dub to add here. Ocean planned to make their own dub but they never got around to that. GOOD. How many different dub versions of Dragonball Z do we need? I kind of wish the show was never made. With the original DBZ alone we have the dubs by Ocean, Funimation, and the Season 1-3 redub by Funimation. I'm curious, did Funimation also REDUB Seasons 4-9?

The franchise was pretty screwed up to begin with. Harmony Gold originally had Dragonball in the 1980s, but cancelled it. They made some pretty stupid changes to the show like with the names. Goku as ZERO really? Then when Funimation got a hold of it they canned it after thirteen episodes only to finish it YEARS later after Dragonball Z did so well. Then when GT came out, you had the first fifteen episodes skipped and aired later. WTF? On top of that I hear there was ANOTHER English dub of GT by some group called Blue Water Gate. Okay, and did they happen to dub Dragonball and Z as well? If not, why the hell did they even bother touching GT?

The airing and handling of these shows is as messed up as could be. The shows should have been aired properly and IN ORDER and only having ONE company handle a show. For it to be okay with me for a show to be handled by two different companies, it would have to be like the Pokémon situation where one company is simply continuing the work of the dub from another company after they lost the rights, and the second company having consistency with the previous company's work to produce ONE dub. I do not like two companies producing their own whole separate dubs. What do you guys have to say about all of this? Do you feel the same way I do?

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Blue water is an offshoot of Ocean Dub.

There was also another Hollywood studio dub (not Harmony ) that dubbed three episodes of dbz and aired it at 2a.m. in the morning but it was cancelled due to extremely low viewership. There was also a french english dub of 100 episodes and a MALAYSIAN (China) ENGLISH dub that was hilariously bad.

We also have funimation db and dbz movies, Ocean Dub dbz and db movies, AND AB group db and dbz movies.

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But I like the multiple dubs. It shows us the different idealist aspects of how a company interprets the way a character should sound


Compare Sean Schemelle #spelling#, Peter Kalamis, Kirby Morrow, Ian Corolette, and the AB Gokus.

All different interpretations of how they think he should sound.

If you haven't heard the "Big Green" Goku GO FIND A VIDEO he is the BEST GOKU in my opinion

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Were you on your phone when you made these comments? If you were on the computer, then you could have just edited your comment if you had to add something else.

Blue water is an offshoot of Ocean Dub.


So it's basically like what let's say 4K Media Inc. is in relation to 4Kids? It is made up of people who worked for Ocean?

There was also another Hollywood studio dub (not Harmony ) that dubbed three episodes of dbz and aired it at 2a.m. in the morning but it was cancelled due to extremely low viewership. There was also a french english dub of 100 episodes and a MALAYSIAN (China) ENGLISH dub that was hilariously bad.


Oh great, MORE English dubs. This can't get anymore confusing.

We also have funimation db and dbz movies, Ocean Dub dbz and db movies, AND AB group db and dbz movies.


Oh, I know this. Most of the movies themselves don't even follow the continuity of the shows so besides having different dubs, they have some continuity errors here.

But I like the multiple dubs. It shows us the different idealist aspects of how a company interprets the way a character should sound


I don't like it. It's confusing and when looking up one dub to watch you may come across another and you're like "What the hell is this?" and then you're lost within all the dubs you just don't even want to bother with the show. One dub of one language is all we need to keep things in order and peace.

If you haven't heard the "Big Green" Goku GO FIND A VIDEO he is the BEST GOKU in my opinion


I looked it up. He sounds like a poor imitation of the Sean Schemmel performance. I don't see how you call this the best voice for Goku. What kind of company is behind this dub anyway? It comes off as some abridged series.

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Its the AB Group french-English dub.

As for BlueWater, yes they have the same management team as Ocean Dub so they carried some voices over because it's cheaper to use people already under contract.

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Okay thanks. This franchise is all screwed up from the many dubbings, redubbings, shows and movies not even flowing together continuity-wise particularly the movies, etc. it's all just a MESS! Don't know what to follow and what to ignore. It's all pitiful.

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It's easy to know which English dub you'd want to watch.

DBZ Singles = Unedited Ocean and FUNimation Dubs (Ocean = early, FUNi = later)
DBZ Seasons/Orange Bricks = FUNimation Remastered Dub
DBZ Rock the Dragon = Ocean Dub for all eps 1-53 and movies 1-3

Now to the other three:

DB Double Pack = Ocean Dub (it used the same VAs)
DB Singles = FUNimation Dub

GT Singles = FUNimation Dub with the US score only (not really a good way to watch it)
GT Remastered = FUNimation Dub with the Original score and US score

Kai Parts = Parts 1 to 4 feature the Yamamoto score and English dub
Kai Seasons = Same as the Parts except no Yamamoto score at all (unless for the 1st print of Season One which was a glorious mistake by FUNi)

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But it's all TOO MUCH! We should not be having all of these different dubbings. ONE dub is all we ever needed and not jumbling around through different dubs just to find the one we want or are use to.

And can you clarify more on the mistake on Funimation's part with the Kai season music?

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Brother sad to break it to you but DBZ isnt the first cartoon to have multiple english dubs

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I'm aware of that, but seeing as this is the DRAGONBALL Z forum here, I'm only focusing on this show here, not the others. It sucks for any show to have multiple dubs, and this could have been ONE LESS ONE we needed had it been done right.

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The multiple English dubs exist because Canada had their own version for DB, Z, GT and the Movies as well as European Scandinavian countries used the Ocean Dub too.

UK was a mix of the two as when the Ocean Dub wasn't available they'd use FUNimation's and then back to Ocean Dub. A mess. This mess happened because Ocean Dub didn't properly dub every episode and sadly they were all censored.

Nevertheless, I love Ocean Dub's Z 1-53 and the 1-3 movie dubs, the dubs of the movies sound absolutely stunning, imo.

By the way, I didn't even go picking the Big Green Dub and all those dodgy unprofessional dubs. 

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Big Green is best, well, Goku and Hercule are

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Android 17 and 18 had some pretty awesome voices for this less than stellar dub.

"It's my turn now *and then she laughs maniacally*"

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DBZ Seasons/Orange Bricks = FUNimation Remastered Dub

Those are the ones I have. Didn't know there were other dubs, aside from KAI. But I was into the show at the time I bought these, and the sets were only around $20 so I went with the Season DVDs.


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Do these DVDs have the option of Bruce Faulconer's music?

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It has the option for the original Japanese music and TV broadcast music. I assume that means the original American version.


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Yes, I think so. Bruce Faulconer composed his DBZ soundtrack specifically for the TV broadcast. I wasn't sure if it was available on the DVDs. Every YouTube channel that posts full episodes with his music ends up getting shut down for copyright. I may eventually look into investing in the DVDs. Thanks!

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DBZ Singles = Unedited Ocean and FUNimation Dubs (Ocean = early, FUNi = later)


Unedited Ocean? What does this mean? When the Ocean group was handling the show and it was airing the first 68 episodes were edited down into 53 episodes. Is there an uncut Ocean dub of the episodes where it's in the regular 68 episode run?

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Just commenting to know which ones to buy.

"All change is not growth, as all movement is not forward."

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Agreed

I Was so mad that Ocean Studios&Funimation Studios Ruined Akira Toriyama's Masterpiece
with Kiddie Cartoon Sounds and a Snippet for any music from the late ocean dub soundtrack and A Lullaby for DBZ Characters who goes to sleep

Shame on you Ocean Studios

to make the English Dub of DBZ Better
is to Keep the Japanese Soundtarck
and Remove the Kiddie Cartoon Sounds&a Lullaby

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Well I don't actually mind the dub music. I actually found it more fitting to the show and better than the original score. My issue here with the dubs is basically all the different dubbing the show had to go through having one dub here and another dub here and then some redubs down the line, and then episode merges and episode skips.

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