Vegeta's strength:
http://readms.com/r/dragon_ball_super/011/3378/17
http://readms.com/r/dragon_ball_super/011/3378/18
Superman's strength:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/85165/1747049-superman_lifting_weights..jpg
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Cena doesn't overcome any odds. He's a wrestler with a God Mode cheat on.share
I'm a big fan of both but how is that even a debate. Superman is Superman. He wins against everybody. Superman beats Jesus.
shareI'm a big fan of both but how is that even a debate. Superman is Superman. He wins against everybody. Superman beats Jesus.
I know, I have that issue of All Star Superman. Doesn't matter though. EVERY Superman wins against DBZ. He's Superman.
shareI know, I have that issue of All Star Superman. Doesn't matter though. EVERY Superman wins against DBZ. He's Superman.
Doesn't specify how much over 1,000 tons.
That was only in all star superman. It was when superman absorbed too much power from a solar flare and he became extremly powerful. But the power was too much for even his body to handle and he was dying.share
Before that happened he could only lift something like a thousand tons.
The anime and manga portray their power very differently.
In one episode Goku was able to casually walk around watering the plants while wearing this enormous watering can on his back that would weigh in the thousands of tons.
http://s262.photobucket.com/user/scabab90/media/qX8NyLXnNEL9_zpsg5xuxcyp.png.html
Then sometime later Whis gives them a weighted training suit which is so heavy that they can hardly move in it which would obviously make the suit heavier than the watering can.
Then they do 50,000 full body push ups on just their thumbs.
So they can lift the weight of thousands of tons on just their thumb dozens of thousands of times non stop in base form....but then in the manga he can't lift 1,000 tons as a Super Saiyan...so yeah very different.
I guess no one here saw the Death Battle between Goku and Superman. It's a VERY well researched YouTube video that provides all the facts about both characters strength and abilities, and then has a pretty epic video of them fighting. I posted the link to the two videos below.
First Battle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyl97TG8jbA&index=40&list=PLB833073B659FD65A&spfreload=5
Rematch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0D0VGomWb4&index=15&list=PLB833073B659FD65A&spfreload=5
The videos are kind of lengthy, like 20, but are worth watching. If you want to know the outcome, it's Superman.
I must admit, for the longest time I thought Goku was stronger than Superman, but the video and research, no matter how much I didn't want it to, changed my mind. A solid example of how and why Superman is stronger than Goku is the strength displayed by the two. Lets put it this way. What's the most you think Goku could lift? lets say 100 planets. Earth weighs 5.972 sextillion (1,000 trillion) tons, so times that by 100. That's a lot. Superman has lifted up the being Eternity. True he had help from Wonder Woman, but still, what's half of infinity. It's STILL infinity. He also lifted up the book of infinite pages on his own. He is literally lifting up unlimited weight. No matter how strong Goku is, he cannot compete with that. Superman was stated by his creators to be "as strong as he needs to be". His strength is infinite. If he needs more, he ALWAYS has more in reserve. In light of this, I have reluctantly been forced to admit that Superman is stronger than Goku.
So now ask yourself the OP's question. Who would win in an arm wrestling match between Vegeta and Superman if Goku is stronger than Vegeta.
The Death Battle videos are a mess.
They have Base Goku being able to lift only 40 tons. Not only is that just inconsistent it said in one of the guides that it was made more difficult because he was in the air.
He was shown to move more than that as a kid. He's also shown it since then in Dragon Ball Super.
They have these multipliers for his forms and because turning Super Saiyan boosts his power 50 fold they make the assumption that it boosts his strenght and speed etc also 50 fold.
It doesn't scale linearly like that, farmer with shotgun has a power level of 5. Goku at the start of the series had a power level of 10 and he obviously isn't only twice as strong because he can crush boulders in his arms.
Then they include SSJ4 which they have as being 10x more powerful than SSJ3. Well that's just false and they only came up with that because they made the assumption that it gives the same boost as Oozaru. It doesn't, it gives a much bigger boost than that.
Not just that but they have SSJ4 as being 10x stronger than a DBZ era SSJ3 but by the time Goku became a SSJ4 in GT his base form then was already stronger than his SSJ3 form in DBZ. So they should have SSJ4 as being 400x stronger than SSJ3.
The second video was worse because all they really went into was that Superman doesn't have limits even though he does.
They also didn't use a particular version of Superman but a composite version that doesn't exist.
There was also the bad timing in that this rematch video came out before Super started and since then Goku and Beerus clashed fists and it was going to destroy the entire universe from it. Then he became a Super Saiyan Blue, then with Kaioken he's 10 times stronger than that.
Yes, but the fact remains that Superman can still lift infinity. Goku, possibly even the Omni King, just can't compete with that.
Again, let me say that I wish Goku were superior. I really don't like Superman. I think he's overpowered and over-rated, but he's still stronger than Goku. Now, if they WERE equal in strength, then Goku would kick Superman's ass no problem. Even now Goku COULD win against Superman if he had kryptonite or used Instant Transmission to teleport him to a blue sun, but that's cheating.
Him being able to lift infinity hasn't stopped him from being beaten by other villains though, he has been beaten and has had trouble with people.
I'm sure Superman is physically stronger but that alone doesn't necessarily decide a battle and it's not like the DBZ characters are lacking either, Beerus tapped his nail and blew up half a planet. Three clashes between Beerus and Goku were going to eradicate the entire Universe from how much force was behind them.
Now you've got this Omni King who they said could destroy 12 Universes in an instant if he wanted to and has already destroyed 6 Universes in the past.
I guess no one here saw the Death Battle between Goku and Superman. It's a VERY well researched
BTW if you don't believe me, here's just SOME of the many things to point out Derp Battles is full of BS, and predetermined results meant to give their faves an excuse to win and to rattle up fandoms.
Derp Battles claims Superman can lift infinite weight: WRONG
The example they showed was from Final Crisis, and they claimed a book/story has infinite weight because it can potentially generate endless amount of pages. This is if we deliberately ignore the fact it's a magic book. By this logic, Robin Williams, Bonnie Hunt, Kirsten Dunst and monkey boy from Jumanji can all lift trillions of tons with ease considering how much things are inside Jumanji. Who needs the Hulk to save the Avengers in Secret War from a mountain falling on them, all you need is Robin Williams if Derp Battles is too be believed?
Hell even the Hat from Superman vs the Elite and Zatanna all have hats that can potentially produce endless amount of things. Hilariously the book never even did produce that much pages.
This stupidity goes even further considering Superman never even lifted up that book!
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Oh but if you think Derp Battles' idiocy ends there, you've clearly mistaken. This is the one and only legit lifting feat (or rather lifting attempt) Superman did in Final Crisis. Only some pages earlier.
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There's Mr. Infinite strength for you. Knew 2 trillion lives were in stake and still couldn't prevent that spaceship from crashing.
That's Derp Battles' "research" for you. Got 3 things wrong for just one story.
Now here's if we stop looking at troll baiting fanvids and bias fanboys and pay attention to canon things that actually happened in the comics. This is Superman during the silver age when his normal form was at it's strongest.
http://s253.photobucket.com/user/lorrdraiden/media/superboytowingplanets1400026uv.jpg.html
http://i.imgur.com/x5I7TeU.jpg
Now this is the exact same character fighting an actual martial artist whose power levels don't go beyond anything a Street Fighter can do. And there's many things SF characters can do that the martial artist can't.
http://s3.photobucket.com/user/silicondream/media/adventure368p04.jpg.html
http://s3.photobucket.com/user/silicondream/media/adventure368p05.jpg.html
http://smg.photobucket.com/user/bmovie_buff/media/LSH_1983_Annual_02-23.jpg.html
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http://s3.photobucket.com/user/silicondream/media/KarateKid13-02.jpg.html
http://s3.photobucket.com/user/silicondream/media/KarateKid13-03.jpg.html
Superman doesn't know how to break out of submission holds.
http://s3.photobucket.com/user/silicondream/media/SuperboytheLegionofSuperheroes245-1.jpg.html
Superman doesn't know how to break out of submissions holds again.
Oh BTW Derp Battles' 2nd Superman vs Goku was full on troll bait. They literally had Superman walk through a full power kamehameha then had him proceed to kill Goku with an attack that didn't even do enough damage to a HUMAN durability opponent to keep his powers repressed. If you think that's accurate, then you really are dumb.
That scenario is about as accurate as Ivan Drago from Rocky 4 walking through a nuke and proceed to kill Superman with his punches. Because according to Derp Battles, if an attack was able to cause enough brain damage that eventually healed up to a human, that obviously means it can kill super durable opponents! And at least Drago actually killed a human with his punches before unlike Superman's attack.