MovieChat Forums > Hannibal (2001) Discussion > Over 100 plot holes and mistakes in this...

Over 100 plot holes and mistakes in this film! Terrible!


I just saw this film and was really disappointed. I've never seen a film with plot holes every minute. WTF?

There are so many. I can't even count them all. Let's see...

- There was no sensible or explanation given for Mason to cut off his face. You can't just give a person a knife and tell him to cut off his face. It doesn't work that way. Thus there is no explanation for it. Also, why was he paralyzed in a wheelchair? That wasn't explained either.

- That detective in Italy made a long list of errors that no one in law enforcement would make, nor anyone with any common sense.

- First, why did he need to try to apprehend Hannibal himself? The reward for his capture said "information leading to his capture". It didn't say that the winner of the reward had to apprehend him himself. No FBI website would tell a citizen to apprehend the criminal to get the reward. Sheesh. All he had to do was tell the FBI where he was and he'd get the reward.

- Second, why did he need to send a pickpocket to get stabbed by Hannibal, just to get his fingerprints? He could have just gotten his fingerprints from anything he touched. He could have showed him a picture and got his fingerprint from it. Or got it from his doorknob since he knew where he lived.

- Third, after finding out that Hannibal was a serial killer, why would he be alone in a room with him, and with his back turned? He showed no defensiveness at all. No one with a survival instinct would do that.

- Fourth, at the end, why does he turn his back toward Hannibal as he comes up behind him during the slide show? Totally stupid. No one would turn his back on a serial killer.

- And his ambush plan was stupid and unnecessary. Why couldn't he just arrest him any time anywhere? Why did he need to call someone in front of Hannibal to give himself away? That was a suicidal move. He was not a professional at all, like he called himself. He was a man with no common sense. Even a child would know better than to be that dumb around a serial killer.

- And after Lecter took out that stupid detective with zero common sense, how did he get away? Any cop or gangster could easily have taken Lecter out. He had no chance. Yet he hung the detective in public view and simply walked away unscathed? WTF?

Zero logic. This film made 0.00000000000000000 sense! Was this supposed to be an insult to our intelligence?

- Finally, in the last part of the film:

How did Mason's men find Lecter? And how did Clarice find the barn that they were going to feed Lecter to the boars at? That was never explained. And how did the FBI know where Lecter and Clarice were at the end during the dinner scene? Is everyone omniscent in this film? Geez.

Nothing was explained in this film, and nothing made sense.

Terrible. Hundreds of plot holes, errors, and unexplained things.

How is this film so positive rated? I don't get it. Can someone explain?


http://www.happierabroad.com - Discover Global Dating Solutions!

reply

[deleted]

Thanks for your answers.

But I still don't understand why that stupid detective didn't try to collect the FBI reward instead of Mason Verger's reward, which would have been under the table and unofficial. Why not just collect the FBI reward, which was what he was reading on the FBI website?

It doesn't make sense.

And get real. If you were him, would you turn your back on Hannibal, knowing that he was a serial killer? No one would. That part didn't make sense, and you know it.



http://www.happierabroad.com - Discover Global Dating Solutions!

reply

[deleted]

I think you didn't watch the movie.

The FBI reward was $250,000.

Verger's reward was $3,000,000.

Which would you choose?

If you go back and watch the scene where he finds the reward it shows two different websites.

reply

Speaking of that reward, here's something really picky.

When Pazzi makes the second phone call about it, he gets a recorded message that provides some details.

After the message concludes, we hear "To repeat the message in French, press 2; in German, press 3; in Spanish..." But all of it's in English.

How would this be helpful to a person who speaks only French/German/Spanish?

reply

Wow that is a stupid question. If you were in a foreign relation, do you know how you would know to listen to an English version of a recording? You would listen for either "Ingles" or "English" in the damn recording. Sheesh.

reply

Its not a stupid question. If the message was for someone who only spoke that language you'd have that part of the message said in that language. They didn't even say the names of the languages in the right language. Lets pretend a German person doesn't know English of any kind. German in German is called Deutsch I think. Sounds nothing like it. For that matter how can we assume anyone who doesn't speak the language being used in the message knows what "Press Two" means. "Two" in German is "Zwei".

Its a perfectly valid point. The more distant anything gets from the roots of Romance Languages the weirder it gets. Can you imagine trying to decipher the Hindi version of "Press Two" on a scratchy phone signal in a loud room or something?

Sheesh.

reply

It's kind of a valid point and it would be better if the recording delivered those sentences in regarded languages and I also realized it watching the movie but still huge majority of people know the numbers 1-2-3-4 and the English name of their language even if they don't speak English, so it would still mostly work this way.

reply

Woo hoo saves me writing now. Everything you said is true, thank you. Saved me from writing a reply to that guy cos you did it.

reply

Yes, all of those "plotholes" have been answered. The answers were all in the movie if you had paid attention.

The one question about why would Pazzi turn his back on a known serial killer could also be answered in that he was interested in the slide Lecter was showing him. Lecter even asked if he could make out what it said, Pazzi was curious and in trying to read it temporarily dropped his guard.

reply

i didn't care for the movie, but just by your first "plot hole" i can tell you did not watch the film closely

hannibal gave him a drug I think lsd, it was said in the film

so before you start rattling off plot holes it would help if you just paid attention

prevents a lot of people from calling you an idiot

reply

^Agreed.

Would've prevented me from calling you an idiot if you paid attention.
Sadly it didn't. So sir, you are an idiot!

reply

It wasn't LSD; it was poppers and his first plot hole is valid.

Poppers will not make you slice off your face. It was a ludicrous situation.

reply

In the book, I believe it was laced with something else.

reply

Seriously? A murdering, psychotic cannibal says it's a popper so it absolutely must be. Lol!!

I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!

reply

- There was no sensible or explanation given for Mason to cut off his face. You can't just give a person a knife and tell him to cut off his face. It doesn't work that way. Thus there is no explanation for it. Also, why was he paralyzed in a wheelchair? That wasn't explained either.
Mason was stoned out of his mind and it has been made clear in the Hannibal films that Lecter has the capability of convincing people to do what they normally wouldn't. He also made Miggs kill himself by swallowing his own tongue.

- That detective in Italy made a long list of errors that no one in law enforcement would make, nor anyone with any common sense.
Firstly, he didn't have much common sense. Why would you expect a drowsy-looking inspector operating in Florence to be a super-bright detective?

- Third, after finding out that Hannibal was a serial killer, why would he be alone in a room with him, and with his back turned? He showed no defensiveness at all. No one with a survival instinct would do that.
- Fourth, at the end, why does he turn his back toward Hannibal as he comes up behind him during the slide show? Totally stupid. No one would turn his back on a serial killer.

He didn't have much of a choice and he probably felt safe because he knew Mason's people were outside, ready to roll, and also assumed that Hannibal didn't know he was onto him anyway.

- And his ambush plan was stupid and unnecessary. Why couldn't he just arrest him any time anywhere? Why did he need to call someone in front of Hannibal to give himself away? That was a suicidal move. He was not a professional at all, like he called himself. He was a man with no common sense. Even a child would know better than to be that dumb around a serial killer.
He couldn't have arrested him because he wanted Mason to get Hannibal and claim the reward, which would not have happened had he just cuffed him.

- And after Lecter took out that stupid detective with zero common sense, how did he get away? Any cop or gangster could easily have taken Lecter out. He had no chance. Yet he hung the detective in public view and simply walked away unscathed? WTF?
Completely plausible.

How did Mason's men find Lecter? And how did Clarice find the barn that they were going to feed Lecter to the boars at? That was never explained. And how did the FBI know where Lecter and Clarice were at the end during the dinner scene? Is everyone omniscent in this film? Geez.
Krendler led Mason's men to Lecter, didn't he?
And Clarice knew where Mason lived. She also followed his goons.

I don't mean to impose, but I am the Ocean.

reply

"Why would you expect a drowsy-looking inspector operating in Florence to be a super-bright detective?"

Columbo, lol.



I'm issuing a restraining order: Religion must stay 500 yards away from Science at all times!

reply

I agree, that Pazzi had so many opportunities to get Hannibal's fingerprints, he was handling so many things. ugh

Two things that bothered me, when Pazzi hired that pick pocket to get Hannibal's fingerprint on the bangle, Hannibal bought a newspaper which would have his fingerprints all over it, and he discards it, why not just pick it up of the ground instead of the elaborate plan of bumping into him?

I was annoyed with Starling hurrying to save Hannibal? What the ??!! She had no qualms in shooting in the head the HIV lady holding the baby, but oh no, Hannibal the cannibal, she HAS to save. Stupid movie!!



reply

Well Pazzi was clearly an idiot. That's not a plot hole. And Clarice had no choice but to shoot the woman with the baby, she was shooting people. There was no need to shoot Hannibal. Especially since she already had a reputation of shooting people and at the time she had her gun and badge taken away so it would have been complicated if she shot him.

reply

Its an uneven bipolar film at best (but I still love it!): esp. loved the first half in Italy but once Hannibal returned to the States the movie just unraveled in such a haphazard fashion (the ending was great though and ultimately saved the day!). Julianne proved her mettle in that final scene, and I agree with the original poster's views on why Commandatore Pazzi didn't bring backup or a freaking gun when lying in wait with Hannibal at the museum! He knew Lecter's background, but was so blinded by greed that he forgot to bring some form of protection to the would-be capture! Giancarlo was excellent as Pazzi though! Loved the opera scene (the score is haunting!) probably the best in the entire film. 12 years later I only watch the parts I like & F-FWD thru the rest!

reply

[deleted]

While I agree that WWu777's argument for so many plot holes is filled with misinformed assumptions, I do feel his argument with Pazzi is significant.

While it is a movie, it seems a bit of a stretch that Pazzi would take the risk that he did to catch Lecter in such a way, considering it wasn't necessary for him to catch him personally to get the millions he wanted.

Especially when he his told that his personal services were no longer needed after he turned in the fingerprint and receives the first reward. As I remember correctly he his told by the men giving him the smaller reward, that all he had to do was show them where Lecter was (at the very least pinpoint his location) and he would receive the million dollar reward.

I think the bigger question, which has been mentioned on this board, was "How did Lecter get away with what he did to Mason?" If the events happened when Lecter was still a legitimate psychiatrist and we are to include this series with Silence of the Lambs and Red Dragon, how did he not get arrested? If we are to put the story arch in order it is Red Dragon, Silence of The Lambs, and then Hannibal. Obviously he mutilated Mason prior to being sent to the asylum, which occurs during Red Dragon.

I guess one could argue that Lecter could have denied the incident and no one would possibly believe Mason, considering the lifestyle he had.

Oh well, maybe I'm just over-analyzing it. I guess I find this series interesting. LOL

Thoughts?

reply

[deleted]

"I was just being opportunistic to use Hannibal's letter to Starling in a joking way to bust the OP's chops. I hope he doesn't take it too personal, no malicious intent there."

Hahaha. That's cool. I didn't catch that. As far as the novels go, I started to gain an interest in them so I am starting to read them myself.

In regards to Pazzi, I guess It always bothered me that he didn't have to go in personally. He could have shown them where Hannibal was, but he was insistent to catch him personally. He could have still received the millions had he just shown the goons where he was.

Oh well I guess I am over-analyzing the film. LOL.

It is kind of like watching a horror film and screaming,"Don't go in there!" Obviously the character has to go in or else we wouldn't have a film. LOL

reply

SFMZone: nice reply - although I like the letter from Hannibal to Clarice better in the book (it is less rude than in the film version and offers even a little help).

To the OP: About Pazzi: I'm not as familiar with the movie than with the book, but there Pazzi is very desperate. He is the shame of his departement, because he accused and even arrested the wrong person as 'Il Mostro' (that serial killer in Florence). The man sat some years in prison before his innocence came out. All the fault for that got to Pazzi. When he met 'Dr. Fell', he was just waiting to get removed from his job. So he wasn't in a very good shape, when he decided to go against Hannibal.

And I think, some people didn't really understand the reward: The FBI wasn't offering any kind of reward. The Most wanted list was only visible for law enforcemnet people, who have a login code (like Pazzi). Verger offered a reward of $ 200.000 for information about the doctors whereabouts (with a fingerrpint in situ) and $ 3.000000 for the person, who is responsible for catching Lecter. I guess, Pazzi was afraid that Carlo and his people would cheat on him, so he wanted to be involved as much as possible.
ANd he couldn't get help from his colleagues, because he operated very much outside the law. Therefor getting Lecters fingerprints was not an easy task(and I'm pretty sure, you can't get fingerprints from a newspaper).

As I mentioned earlier: I don't know the movie as well as the book (which is far better), but I'm pretty sure, that at least Pazzis predicament concerning the 'Il Mostro' case was mentioned, when he first met Dr. Lecter at the Palazzo Vecchio (it was the scene, when the Studiolo decided, if 'Dr. Fell' should be allowed to stay as curator of the Palazzo Capponi)

reply

[deleted]

I thought that if you slice off your FACE, it does permanent physiological damage to the rest of the body too, as there are vital nerves there that lead to the brain. Or at least that's what I thought. I vaguely recall another instance in which someone's face was severely damaged and that was the cause of them being wheelchair-bound

reply


How many times did you even bother to watch the movie??

- Mason Verger was drugged out of his mind when he cut off his face. The "popper" Hannibal gave him was without a doubt extremely powerful.

- What "errors" did the detective in Italy make? Thanks for specifics.

- He did not initially ever intend to take Hannibal by himself. He was in direct contact with the thugs that worked for Verger and all Inspector Pazzi intended to do was to wait for people to leave Hannibal's presentation and then ask him out for coffee by which he would really escort him down to a place where Verger's men would be waiting.

- Your comments about the finger prints again shows your lack of intellect or inability to pay attention to a movie. Inspector Pazzi tried to get Hannibal's finger prints many times. After noticing that Hannibal wipes his own glass down after drinking at the café, he realized Hannibal took precautions. SO, then you see when Pazzi came alone (despite him saying he would send people to pick the belongings of the previous librarian) to pick up those items, first Pazzi asked if the list laying on top of the suitcases was the inventory and Hannibal responded that it was. They both were standing on either sides but when Pazzi asked if he could see it, Hannibal did not take it and hand it to him, he just said yes and made Pazzi pick it up himself.

THEN Pazzi asked if he could have help carrying the suitcases outside and Hannibal said yes but then excused himself for a second to go put on gloves. While Hannibal was doing it, Pazzi was looking around for something that might have his finger prints and saw the knife and I believe glass on the table from where Hannibal had eaten but Hannibal did not give him really any time or opening to just grab one of them and leave. He had to be subtle so as not to arouse any paranoid in Hannibal (even though Hannibal was already onto him). So you are way off on that.

The inspector turned his back to him because of what Hannibal put up on the slide that was a picture of his ancestor who had hung himself from that very balcony outside. Hannibal had already mocked Pazzi a little bit about it not being easy to be a "Pazzi" even over 100 years later and his comments about how because of who he was he was being held back in his profession...Hannibal had already started working on Pazzi psychologically from the first scene where he mentioned the fact that he had gotten taken off an important assignment for a much less prestigious one, working on Pazzi's issues on what were most definitely insecurities about his ancestors. I mean, its not like he turned his back on him for something simple, but something that psychologically affected Inspector Pazzi.

- God did you even watch this movie? Why wouldn't Pazzi just arrest him? Clarice Starling tried to talk to him about that...you see, Verger WANTED Hannibal alive. That is where the reward money was coming from you dolt. Arresting him would not have gotten him that money he so desperately wanted (they show how he had a young beautiful wife and her high maintenance as it pertained to money).

- Exactly how fast do you think cops can respond to something like that? Once he hung Pazzi out the window, he gave a quick wave to a surveillance camera and then was on his way out, only stopping to very quickly to kill one of the people after him with a quick swipe of his harpy and then was off.

- Then, how did Mason's men find Lecter? Lecter WANTED TO BE FOUND. The whole scene where Verger's men were watching Clarice in order to find Lecter was on purpose, giving her hints in their conversation about Mason Verger and how he knew Verger's men were following her. He needed to let Clarice know it so that she could rescue him. If you don't think he was trying to get caught, why in the hell do you think he would, while knowing Verger's men were trying to get him, jump up on a carousel and ride around on it for Verger's men to see exactly where he was.

Finding the right barn? It was on Verger's property. Duh.

Then you ask how did the FBI know where they were at? Clarice CALLED THEM when she woke up before going downstairs to Lecter's meal. Double Duh.

You are pretty clueless about almost every aspect of this film. Yep yep. I would stick with movies that don't require thought from now on if I were you.

reply

Well said AarOnHisBox.


Hannibal was already onto him


You think he knew that early? I thought maybe he was just being smart. I didn't think he was wiping his glass at the cafe to thwart Pazzi. Just being consistently careful and meticulous.

reply