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I Don't Understand Magus (major spoilers)


This has bothered me in every single playtrough of this game.

Magus, who is a human who can cast magic, becomes the leader of the fiends and leads them to the war against humans in the year 600 (or before). I can understand his rise to power because he's Ozzie's foster son or something. I can also understand why humans think him to be a fiend because practicing dark magic must have affected to his appearence.

But I can't understand why Magus lead the fiends to the war against humans, his own race, in the first place. The only thing he wants to do is to summon Lavos so he could avenge to it all the suffering he has gone through. Starting the war had nothing to do in achieving his goals and feels completely unnecessary waste of lives and resources.

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I was using the DS translation so that must have confused. Mystic in SNES is fiend in DS.

Although if magic casters (those living in the clouds back in 12000 BC and who Magus was when he was still called Janus) and earthbounds (those unable to cast magic) are considered as different races then I understand Magus' motives a little better. He thinks his race is far more superior and if he can exterminate those people while trying to destroy Lavos then sure, why not.

Okay, it still sounds quite vague. Does anyone know is there any official work to make Magus' motives clearer?

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I don't think he actually lead the mystics into war as much as he let them goto war. magus was more preoccupied with getting his revenge on lavos for killing his family.

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Yea that's the way I understood it as well. He basically let the Mystics do whatever they wanted under Ozzie while he pursued revenge against Lavos. I'm pretty sure with his powers, if he wanted to he could have simply went to Guardia Castle and wiped out the King's family and such. But he didn't.

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How else could he level up? He needed EXP so he had no problem involving in a war, what better place?

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as others said, it's probably more like the mystics wanted to go to war. remember when janus first appeared in 600 a.d the mystics jumped out to ambush him which kind of indicates some hostility towards humans (might be stretching it here). another thing to note is that the mystics took magus in and made him their leader which I think gave Magus a sense of loyalty to the mystics. he wanted to help them out since they raised him and took care of him.

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The mystics wanted to go to war with the humans. Since they are the only ones that could use magic at that point, Magus had to side with the mystics so he could use their resources to confront Lavos. As others have said the mystics were simply a means to an end.

As a warrior and as a man, I will leave my mark upon the world! Marguilus

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My interpretation of it is that he didn't take a prominent role in the war. Ozzie handled everything through the Mystics using Magus as a rallying figurehead. Magus was primarily interested in revenge against Lavos. Other than instances where someone got in his way (e.g Cyrus), he didn't bother trying to kill humans.

It makes sense considering he had full grasp of his powers like Black Hole and Dark Matter as well as all the level 2 spells. He could have annihilated Guardia any time he wished. Even if Frog or Cyrus had managed to get the Masamune, it's full power was not unlocked (via endgame quest) and they wouldn't have a team of 2 other magic users (your party) to help take Magus down. The fact that Guardia survived for so long basically proves that Magus didn't take an active role in the war.

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That isn't necessarily true. By the end of the game Chrono, Marle, and Lucca have the power to match Lavos(which is far more power than Magus has when you fight him). Yet, we know that Porre is in charge by the time Chrono Cross occurs. Magus might not have had to fight, but if someone is coming to destroy the royal family of Guardia then Chrono and Marle would definitely have to fight. Lucca would probably come to their aid as well. If Porre found a way to match them, then the humans could have found a way to match Magus. The King also recognizes Magus if you talk to him with Magus in the lead. He'd have to show up on the battlefield occasionally for people to know who he is on sight.

As a warrior and as a man, I will leave my mark upon the world! Marguilus

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This is from the other thread I responded to but i'll bold the part that pertains more to this question....

"He (Magus) ignores this purpose for decades to fight a war between Mystics and Humans."

So on this first point I would say that because we don't fully see Magus' story line playing out in these years that it's difficult to say one way or another what his motives were. However, I would argue that Magus eventually would have figured out that Lavos fed off of division and destruction (In Magus' time (10000BC) as a child there were two different classes of people (magic and non-magic) and as Magus grew older in 600 AD he may have come to realize that that division between his people who could use magic and could not was actually created by Lavos itself (this is confirmed later by Schala when you are in 10000BC and she says the folks who can use magic are posssesed by Lavos)).

What i'm getting at here is Magus started to war to summon Lavos. He was purposefully trying to create division knowing it would summon Lavos which it eventually does at the worst possible time for Magus.


"He also makes no attempt to avert the threat or save anybody when he is the Prophet in Zeal."

This isn't exactly true depending on how you look at it because when he discovers Chrono and the gang in 10000BC he tries to send them back to their time and has Schala freeze the time seal. Older Magus may understand that as a Child he witnessed Chrono sacrifice himself with Lumainaire to save everyone when Lavos appears and resists the Phophet's attack - this "event" is what causes everyone, including Magus, to be warped to different points in time and results in Schala's death - it's this event Magus is trying to stop.

I believe that it was Magus' belief that by freezing the time portal with Schala that Chrono and his gang would be locked out of 10000BC and that "the event" he witnessed as a child would not happen thus giving him, Magus/Prophet, the sole chance to defeat Lavos after his sister raises him without anyone interfering. Magus' flaw is believing he's powerful enough to stop Lavos by himself.

It's my interpretation that Magus' plan was to get rid of Chrono and his gang (he starts immediately by telling the Queen they are coming) because he believes if he gets rid of them then he and he alone, as the prophet, can defeat Lavos. He knows from his time as a child that if Chrono is there that the event is all but guaranteed to play out the same way it did before. Magus believes the entire time that he is saving Zeal and his sister Schala but what he does not realize is that the actions he takes as the prophet were unchanged and by locking out Chrono it leads him and the gang to 2300 AD where they obtain the wings of time.

Magus is trying to save Zeal. He wages the war in 600 AD as a way to summon Lavos in the hopes his time traveling abilities send Magus back to 10000BC where he can save Schala. When Lavos finally does awaken it just so happens to be when Magus is fighting Chrono and Frog. Magus would likely believe at that point that first and foremost in order for history not to repeat that Chrono and his gang must be banished because A) they have not seen what he's seen and thus have no idea how to help him and B) he knows them being there increases the liklihood of everything happening the same way again which is precisely what he's trying to avoid.

Because Magus is so focused on saving his Sister he is never able to understand that the actions he takes as the prophet, trying to save Zeal, are actually what causes Zeal and his Sister to die. It is only after the 10000BC world is flooded/destroyed by the collapse of the sky civilization that Magus, standing at the North Cape, finally realizes the actions he took trying to save Zeal are in fact what cause Zeal and his Sister to be destroyed.

Magus is truly the most tragic figure in the entire game because of this...

This is also why, imo, shortly after Chrono's death when Frog and the Gang find Magus on the North Cape - watching the world sink before him as he comes to the aforementioned tragic revelation - Magus wants the Frog to finally fight him, and kill him, because he cannot live knowing that his entire life's work of summoning Lavos to save his sister is actually what causes his sister to die.

Consider the conversation he has then with the Frog...


Magus: Unimaginable is the power of Lavos. Anyone who dares to oppose it... meets certain doom. At this rate, you too, will meet a hideous fate. Just like that poor fool, Crono!

Frog: You dare to insult him?

Magus: He's history! Play with fire and you get burned.


Is he actually talking about Crono or himself?

You as the player have the choice to put him out of his misery in that moment or allow him to redeem himself by letting you know how to bring Chrono back from the dead (knowledge I imagine he had by researching it for Schala's sake.) and allowing him to join you in your fight to finally kill Lavos once and for all.

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