None of the characters oozed anything like the nasty, selfish, mean, immorality that they did in the original - Carter included !
This was as near enough a children's version of the UK original.
Interesting in parts -esp the beginning & the photography- but unnecessary and inferior
Using a Brit support cast isn't enough, Carter himself has to be a b*stard and presumably because American filmmakers think their domsetic audience don't understand an anti-hero, Stallone won't play him as such. Get over it, Sly, Carter is NOT a sweetie !
Please, Americans, stop wanting your heroes to be loved in the movies ! If you really want to be loved then look at your foreign policy !
Moreover, because US producers like a fairy tale ending, he survives- pathetic !
The whole screenplay is so soft on all concerned that it is no wonder the Americans were too ashamed to release it in UK- it would be laughed at, frankly- and rightly so.
American friends- please leave Brit classics well alone as your film producers plainly don't or don't want to understand them (Cohens' The Ladykillers may be the honorable exception)
I take it you watched this on channel 5 last night as well.
I used to quite like this version (even though I'm ashamed to admit it). There's something I like about - maybe it is the lighting or the production design or something. It looks quite flashy and is nicely edited etc... but other than that, it pales in comparison to the original.
***SPOILER*** One thing I did not understand though - how exactly was Michael Caine behind it all? Why did he want 'his' disc back? How exactly did he run things?!
I know the ending was an additional bit of shooting and was added after previews in America but it is so tacked on and jars with the rest of the film - not to mention the fact that it doesn't make any sense!
Hey! I get it. I really liked the original. This remake was utter crap! I pay per viewed this when it came out, and damn near fell asleep. I was expecting something more like Payback (theatrical cut), instead I got an insomnia cure. Stalone was soft in this movie, and this film lacked all the edginess the original had. The original is one of the best movies ever made... the remake is one of the worst.
DrKill09: I think the Hollywood producers underestimate the intelligence of the US market and don't think open-minded people like yourself are worth catering for
Why does every British rant on America, be it on Get Carter or the white stuff in Oreos, always come back to foreign Policy? -------------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm from the US and I gotta say that our action heroes (though they've been getting better as of late, but only slightly) are just a bunch of pansies! Michael Caine boned a chick, stuffed her in the trunk of his car, drove the car off a pier with her screaming, and then killed two hitmen whom he seemed to know personally right after without a moment of hesitation. The Stallone version castrated the idea of Carter. What a weak movie. I gotta tell my country to give our heroes back their balls or something, because they ain't doin' so well in that area.
People who use drugging and rape to get product for their porn site as a business model instead of just paying the bevy of women willing to do so for money and because they think it will get them in show business aren't scum?
We get it. We just understand the new paradigm.
triumph-tsx whined:
Our US friends just don't get it ! Carter is scum after scum
Because even the mob has learned if you act nice you get to hang out with film stars and the upper class elite who wouldn't give you the time of day. That's why Cyrus got someone like Jeremy to assist him with his business instead of calling the cops because he came within a hundred feet of him.
triumph-tsx whined:
None of the characters oozed anything like the nasty, selfish, mean, immorality that they did in the original - Carter included !
Welcome to the twenty first century.
triumph-tsx whined:
This was as near enough a children's version of the UK original.
Interesting in parts -esp the beginning & the photography- but unnecessary and inferior
Using a Brit support cast isn't enough, Carter himself has to be a b*stard and presumably because American filmmakers think their domsetic audience don't understand an anti-hero, Stallone won't play him as such. Get over it, Sly, Carter is NOT a sweetie !
Why don't you ask the Irish, the Indians, the Dutch, the French, the Germans and a myriad of other people around the world what they think of your foreign policy. While you're at it ask the Scottish, the Cornish, the Welsh and the Ulster Irish what they think of English domestic policy?
Up the RA.
triumph-tsx whined:
Please, Americans, stop wanting your heroes to be loved in the movies ! If you really want to be loved then look at your foreign policy !
Because if it's successful then you can make a sequel and charge people another $10-15 to see it. Stupid English wanker, and you wonder why you lost your empire.
triumph-tsx whined:
Moreover, because US producers like a fairy tale ending, he survives- pathetic !
The whole screenplay is so soft on all concerned that it is no wonder the Americans were too ashamed to release it in UK- it would be laughed at, frankly- and rightly so.
American friends- please leave Brit classics well alone as your film producers plainly don't or don't want to understand them (Cohens' The Ladykillers may be the honorable exception)
(Reply in two parts for length reasons) It's not an "American" thing, it's modern studio-controlled movie thing. Studios don't allow those sorts of bleak endings, and psychopathic criminal protagonists, because bleak endings aren't liked by test screening audiences, and they think heroes have to be more relatable. In the 1970s (when the original Get Carter was made), during the so-called "auteur era" of film making, American film makers would make films fully as bleak, and protagonists every bit as cold-blooded as any European film studio. Watch the original 1972 version of The Mechanic, with Charles Bronson. Arthur Bishop is a highly functioning psychopath. He's a totally remorseless killer, and when he's given an order to kill his underworld contact, Harry McKenna, he does so quite coldly and even cruelly. There's a scene where he and Harry's son Steve McKenna, who he has taken on as a protégé just watch, amused, after Steve's girlfriend has cut her wrists open. And, of course, Bishop is killed in the end by Steve, though he gets a posthumous revenge and Steve dies too.
Now contrast that with the 2011 remake with Jason Statham as Bishop. This Bishop is not a psychopath. He has to be duped into killing Harry, and only agrees because he's been told the killing will happen one way or another, and Bishop will at least be quick and merciful. He does it, and finds out later he's been tricked, and he sets out to revenge himself on the guy who tricked him (there's no such revenge in the original). Steve still tries to kill Bishop at the end, for his own revenge for Bishop killing Harry (in the original he didn't know Bishop had done it, or give a shit when he found out, Steve was just a psycho himself). Bishop survives Steve's attempt on his life and retires from being a hitman.... (more below)
(Continued) Why all these changes? To make the ending less bleak, and the hero more relatable. That's what modern studios insist on. In the '70s, the studios gave directors carte blanche, and the result was some pretty daring, gritty movies, of the sort studios just won't make anymore. The auteur era came to an end with United Artists gave Michael Cimino complete free reign on Heaven's Gate, and the movie went hugely over budget, and then became one of the all-time biggest box office bombs in cinema history. It bankrupted United Artists. One movie, but it bombed so hard it tanked a studio that had been around since 1919, co-founded by Charlie Chaplin, D.W. Griffith, Mary Pickford, and Douglas Fairbanks. After that, the studios would never again allow directors such latitude. You can't really blame them after something like that.
But the result is that movies made after the '70s have never been so dark and unconventional. Terry Gilliam had to fight tooth and nail for the tragic ending to Brazil in 1985. If he'd made the movie ten years earlier, he wouldn't have had to struggle for it. But Heaven's Gate put the final nail in the coffin of the auteur era, and movie studio executives won't allow certain things they feel will turn off audiences.
So... Sylvester Stallone's Carter was never going to be as much of an anti-hero as Michael Caine's was. It's just the way things are nowadays.