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A masterpiece from start to finish.


I realize this movie has been discussed to death already, but I feel almost obligated to say something regardless...

I saw Children of Men for the first time in 2009, and since that day it has never left my top five. This movie accomplishes the rare feat of being both timelessly powerful and edge-of-your-seat entertaining, and I would argue that it's easily one of the most impressive cinematic achievements of our time; certainly of the last decade, at least.

If you haven't seen it, you owe it to yourself to make time for it. If you've seen it and don't like it, I am genuinely curious as to why (not because I want to have an argument, but a discussion).

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I certainly can't argue with anything you've said. Great film.

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Unarguably one of the most powerful films made. Believability in every scene makes it flawless.

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i watched in theater on first release and it wasnt playing at many theaters.

imagine this, we get to the part where she is just about to have the baby, film freezes and melts. We sit there waiting for about 10 minutes. AMC guy comes in and says projector basically blew up and they cant play the rest of the film so we have to come back another day. So i ended up waiting till the following weekend before i could come back and see the end.

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Well the "hero" of this movie decides to help a bunch of criminals, so we didn't like him from the very beginning. And he he risks life and limb to help a total stranger? Not believable at all. Hardly a masterpieve, but a decent film.

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I don't think that's an accurate assessment.

First of all, Theo (the "hero") decides to help "a bunch of criminals" because he's still in love with their leader (Julian). Money is a motivator as well, but deep down, I think the character was simply clinging to the possibility of rekindling their love. She even blatantly dangles it in front of him to coax Theo into doing what she wants.

Second, that "bunch of criminals" (The Fishes) was a resistance movement, and while they ultimately end up doing some pretty despicable things, their cause is not unjustified. They were fighting an equally malicious government; who's to say they're right or wrong? It's a very grey area. Also, it's not like Theo knew he couldn't trust these people until he finds out that they killed Julian, and by then he's already crossed the point of no return.

Third, aside from the fact that both the love of his life and his only friend are murdered in front of him, Theo risks his life for a total stranger because his eyes have been opened to a greater purpose. What would be the point of returning to London? What exactly is he risking by helping this girl? He's got nothing to lose anymore. The only thing left for him in London is a meaningless life and a lonely death (assuming The Fishes don't find him and kill him first, or worse). He risks his life for a total stranger because he knows that her life means something whereas his doesn't; her life is more important now.

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Well put.

"You'll be taking a soul train straight to a disco inferno where you never can say goodbye!"

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Great post!

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I agree wholeheartedly. A ludicrously under-seen and under-appreaciated film. Right there with There Will Be Blood for the best movie of the 2000s for me, and also in my top five.

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There Will Be Blood is another one that ranks alongside Children Of Men on my all-time top five list, and you're right, they're both criminally undervalued films. Just recently I introduced Children Of Men to some friends of mine who had never even heard so much as a murmur about it. They liked it a lot, and as soon as it was over they starting asking "When did this come out? Why have I never heard of this before?"

I realize that not everyone wants their entertainment to be a deep, meaningful character study, but it's a bummer knowing that so many incredible films never achieve the recognition they deserve in the wake of the multi-million dollar blockbusters (which aren't inherently bad movies, per se, just usually bad movies).

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I couldn't agree more. Nice to know there are others who share the same opinions. I've shown friends There Will Be Blood with similar reactions, but I'm still trying to get them to see Children of Men. It is upsetting to see these get buried under the attention given to much less deserving films.

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Well I'm glad your people liked There Will Be Blood. I've tried screening that one quite a few times and it usually ends poorly, lol. "Too slow", "too boring", "I don't get it", "nothing is happening", etc etc. Drives me crazy.

If you're ever so inclined, you should check out:
Martha Marcy May Marlene (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_k3wCsOgqk)
Compliance (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdONydDX44I)
Snowtown (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXgxhH01ea0)
Disconnect (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqCcQOlDM4o)
Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance (great movie but trailer is awful and corny, skip it)
Blue Caprice (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btxEOr34nw8)
Hide Your Smiling Faces (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF_h0DX46qo)
We Need To Talk About Kevin (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGjjK5SMbJA)

That's my impromptu list of movies from the past decade or so that stand out to me. They're not all easy viewing (some quite difficult, actually), but I think they're all hidden gems in their own right; definitely a thoughtful break from the action laden, in-your-face resurgence of pop-culture geekdom, at least.

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My friends are big movie people, so I expected them to enjoy it and I'm glad they did. I've seen bits of MMMM but so little I barely remember it, all of We Need To Talk About Kevin (I enjoyed a lot), and I actually have not seen any of the others, so thank you for the recommendations; I'll have to add them to my watchlist. If I could offer some non-action movies as well (most are much more well known than your list, but not as well known as let's say No Country for Old Men, so I'm not sure they qualify, but I'll recommend nonetheless):

Black Swan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jaI1XOB-bs
Pan's Labyrinth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqYiSlkvRuw
City of God https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcUOO4Itgmw
Brokeback Mountain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xuugq7fito
Lost in Translation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYAS92XPvIM
Inside Llewyn Davis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYAS92XPvIM
Before Sunrise, Sunset, Midnight Trilogy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI3UuneLcyU
The Lives of Others https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FppW5ml4vdw

I have not seen a single one of these trailers, but they may give you a good idea. The IMDB page should help as well. There are others I like as much as these, but they're even more well known than these.

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Black Swan - Saw it in theaters and was not particularly happy with it, however, I believe I may have watched it wrong (i.e. I expected one thing and got something else, which threw off my judgement). Happens to me all the time. I'd be willing to see it again and reassess now that I have a clearer idea about what to expect.

Pan's Labyrinth - Love it. One of the first blu-rays I ever bought.

City of God - Never seen, heard great things. I had it in my Netflix queue but they removed it before I could get to it.

Brokeback Mountain - Great movie but not my style. Not because it's about gay dudes, I'm just not that interested in romance movies.

Lost in Translation - Good movie. Didn't really stick with me but I definitely enjoyed my time with it.

Inside Llewyn Davis - Been meaning to see this, actually. The Coen brothers are great and Oscar Isaac is always interesting. Loved his performance in Ex Machina.

Before Sunrise, Sunset, Midnight Trilogy - Again, not terribly interested in romance movies, but I like Richard Linklater and I will admit that these seem to be a cut above the rest. Also the fact that it's a trilogy is interesting; I've never seen a romance plot stretch that far and stay good. I'll (tentatively) check it out on your recommendation. Romance is an important part of the human experience, for sure, but not a particularly interesting one to watch, in my opinion.

The Lives of Others - Honestly never even heard of this one but I'll scope it.

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I'm not sure how you watched Black Swan, but it's an exploration of how the pursuit of perfection/ambition will tear someone apart. As for the romance movies, sorry they don't fit you, and I highly, highly recommend both of those foreign movies you haven't seen.

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For whatever reason, i came across this conversation.

I absolutely love There will be Blood and Children of Men.
Snowtown was great
We Need To Talk ABout Kevin was also great.

I just wanted to highlight a few movies that stood out for me that you guys might like.

City of God
The Place Beyond The Pines
Magnolia
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Her
Whiplash
Mommy

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City of God - Same as I stated above.
The Place Beyond The Pines - *beep* love this movie.
Magnolia - Need to see this one again because I think I watched it wrong. It was shown in one of my college classes so it was broken up over like three classes. Completely ruined the experience, obviously.
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind - I've been hearing about how great this movie is for years but I've never actually seen it. Definitely willing to, though. I love seeing comedians in serious roles.
Her - Very good movie but not really my style.
Whiplash - Heard this was great from multiple people but I haven't seen it yet.
Mommy - Genuinely no idea what this is but I'll scope it.


Glad you liked We Need To Talk About Kevin and Snowtown, btw. I rarely encounter anyone that's even heard of Snowtown. It's not exactly something I can comfortably recommend to most people, regular types aren't interested in that kind of film. I was actually working in a video store around the time it came out and I would suggest it to our customers from time to time (if I thought they could handle it). I once had someone barge into the store demanding his money back for it and he was livid. I had to quell his tantrum by giving him a free rental of Mission Impossible 3 and Battleship.

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If you're a fan of Snowtown you probably would like to check out Macbeth (if you haven't already) because the cinematography is breathtaking. I think the same guy shot that as did True Detective, which is the highest-quality TV show I've seen.

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I've been interested in seeing Macbeth, and you are correct, they had the same cinematographer. The main crew shares credits between several movies (most recently Assassin's Creed, oddly enough) so I'm guessing they've all developed a close working relationship and will probably be working together for a long time.

Also, True Detective (the first season) was incredible, but then again, HBO usually is. You should check out The Leftovers. It is arguably my favorite show of all time; downright haunting at times.

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If it's anything like True Detective I'm sure I'd really like it. I'm sure assassin's creed is shot well, but it just doesn't catch my interest. But anytime Arkpaw and Kurzel team up it seems to result in a great looking film. Kind of like PTA and Elswit

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Yeah I'm not too keen on Assassin's Creed either. I'm sure it looks great but it's kind of a bad choice for a game to movie adaptation. The source material wasn't very good to begin with, lol.

And yeah, Leftovers isn't quite as gritty as True Detective, but in terms of mood their very similar. Leftovers is dark as hell.

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Dude you have a super good taste in movies! have you by any chance, seen all of Chan-wook Parks vengeance trilogy?

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I have the bluray box set so that's a yes, lol. Though I admittedly have a hard time with Lady Vengeance. Beautifully filmed and scored, but for some reason I just can't get into that one. The other two are genius, though.

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It's certainly a very good thriller. Along with Cuaron's Y Tu Mamá También, one of the best films of the Noughties.

~ I'm a 21st century man and I don't wanna be here.

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I must have seen a different movie. I fount it heavy-handed, lacking sufficient backstory, a satisfactory resolution and obnoxiously preachy.


My people skills are fine. It's my tolerance of morons that needs work.

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No, same movie, but probably different political views. I have heard people criticize this film for being too liberal, and while I disagree that it's preachy or heavy handed, I'm not going to argue those points here because I absolutely do not want to have a political debate, lol.

As far as lacking sufficient backstory and a satisfactory resolution, I think that's just flat out wrong. Literally everything you need to know about the backstory can be inferred throughout the film, in fact every time I watch it I notice more and more. On the contrary to being lacking, the storytelling here is second to none. It struck a perfect balance between too much and too little information.

Also, I thought the ending wrapped up everything perfectly. Theo didn't die in vain and the girl boards the ship (called "The Tomorrow", btw), leaving us with a tiny glimmer of hope for the human race.

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