Twins or Regular Siblings? - Bring It On (2000) Discussion

[–] heat_like_burning 19 years ago

to be honest i dont think the filmakers really thought about it. i think that they were probably twins. or maybe he was pulled back ayear. but then again u dont see missy in any of torrences classes so she cud very well be a sophomore. my guess is a plot hole

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[–] Whats_Updog 19 years ago

I just assume that Missy's a junior... that bugged me too.

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[–] iMaRoXsTaRfOrShUrE 19 years ago

I think Missy's a senior and that Cliff was just held back.
He was too old to play the part.

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[–] sweetcar0line 19 years ago

I always thought they were twins

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[–] Rorys_flying_solo 19 years ago

yeah I noticed that 2! I was thinking, but if he's in Torrance's homeroom then it's not possible 4 her 2 be the same age as her brother unless they're twins. but Tor and Missy look the same age and he looks a year older

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[–] marksgirl 19 years ago

haha, I thought I was the only wondering about this! Missy looks younger than Cliff, but whatever, they were probably twins.

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[–] Jerichomile 19 years ago

He really is unbelievably a high school. Especially with his big arm tat visiable during the crowd scene. But then high schoolers get tats now.

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[–] jayboysd 19 years ago

Yea, I remember them saying that Missy was a sophmore.

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[–] happyphantom9 10 years ago

When did they say this?

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[–] fallemo92 18 years ago

i think that they are just regular brother and sister because cliff is in this one class w/ torrence, but no missy...

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[–] txsweetheart20 16 years ago

Is there only "one" homeroom class in that school? I dont think so.

So just because he's in the class with her and Missy isnt doesnt mean anything.

But it's also possible they're half or step-siblings. Ever wondered why Missy has a much nicer car than Cliff?

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[–] kellyd310 15 years ago

"Is there only "one" homeroom class in that school? I dont think so.

So just because he's in the class with her and Missy isnt doesnt mean anything. "

usually, homerooms are sorted by last name...

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[–] makm76 12 years ago

Not necessarily. At my school, our homerooms were our first period classrooms.

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[–] bonnie-67 19 years ago

It could also be something as simple as sibling teasing/rivalry. It's typical for a brother to tease a sister about wanting a brother, whether there is an actual age difference or not.

Maybe...?

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[–] GeNeRiCcApUlEt 19 years ago

They could be the same age and in the same grade without being twins. I know a brother and sister who are the same age and in the same grade without being twins. Their mom just got pregnant right after she had the boy. She could have had Cliff in August..and Missy before like Sept./Oct. and they would be in the same grade.

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[–] IMDBsux-4 19 years ago

I always assumed they were twins but missy could have been a premie and then missy coulda been born within like 6 mos of him! however unlikely it is possible when they dont clear that up

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[–] yo_yo 19 years ago

I thought Missy was younger....

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[–] Anbooz 19 years ago

Missy was younger then Torrance and Cliff, who were Sr.

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[–] LadyAmy57 19 years ago

the class where cliff is with torrance is study hall. im assuming hes a senior and shes a junior. but they could be the same age. unless theyre twins. eh....

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[–] james20a 19 years ago

I always thought that Missy was like a year or 2 younger.
Tor and Cliff are in the same classes but Missy isn't.

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[–] lilcheerchica 18 years ago

the only class we see him in with her is Study hall at my school we have study hall with freshman sophmores juniors and seniors so maybe it just so happens that cliff is younger even though he did look older

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[–] robot_ambulance 19 years ago

Missy and Cliff are supposed to be fraternal twins, not identical.

I think that when Cliff said that he mean't that he wanted another sibling as well as Missy.

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[–] dave_aka_spikey 19 years ago

hes clearly not her twin, fraternal or identical. Missy embarassed him which is why he said he begged his mom for a brother..INSTEAD OF his sister Missy. there are two sisters in my school who are in the same grade, so it is possible. one was born in the beginning of the year, the other was born in the end of the year. Maybe thats what happened with cliff and missy.

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[–] robot_ambulance 19 years ago

Eh. They're supposed to be twins. Really.

Oh bananas. I'm so flippin' graphic.

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[–] colourblind85 19 years ago

When the Toros are in the hotel, doesn't Missy tell Torance that she'll miss her the next year, I thought that was because Torance would be in college and Missy would still be at school. Therefore Missy would have to be younger than Torance and Cliff.

Also, there is no way a male and a female set of twins can be identical, only same sex twins can be identical, it's genetically impossible!

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[–] BuffyBoi 19 years ago

'Also, there is no way a male and a female set of twins can be identical, only same sex twins can be identical, it's genetically impossible!'

Uh... I have two friends that are a girl and a boy, and they're identical twins, lol.

Anyway, I think Missy's a year younger.

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[–] robot_ambulance 19 years ago

Um. That's impossible. In order to get identical twins, one egg (that's ONE gender) must split into two. The other half of the egg cannot change it's gender, so it's either two girls or two boys.

Your friends are probably fraternal twins.

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[–] x_kayla 19 years ago

BUT- what if the egg was a hermaphrodite egg? Like- the egg hadn't split, the baby would have been born a hermaphrodite...so what happens if THAT egg splits..couldn't you get a boy & girl who were identical twins?

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[–] crazy_smart 19 years ago

Um, I just think that missy is younger. I mean it doesnt say anywhere that everyone in the cheerleader quad is a senior. In fact, it is very obvious that they're not as Torrance wascheerleading when she was a junior and Big Red was a senior.

As for the whole "Missy and Torrance lok the same age and younger than Cliff" argumet, it doesn't really count because all of the actors ar older that the roles they're cast in.

Thats my opinion anyway.

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[–] xXIwasAprayerXx 17 years ago

"BUT- what if the egg was a hermaphrodite egg? Like- the egg hadn't split, the baby would have been born a hermaphrodite...so what happens if THAT egg splits..couldn't you get a boy & girl who were identical twins? "

Lmao, brilliant. That's a brilliant question. I think it's entirely possible to get identical twins who are male n female if that happens, lol.

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[–] NorthernIrishBabe 17 years ago

What do people learn in biology?? When we where 14 we where taught about fertilisation for GCSE and come on you cannot have identical twins if one is a male and one a female. Some people need to go to school more and get some common sense..I could go on but I wont waste my time.

Anyway back to the orginal question, I never gave it much taught and whilst Cliff does seem older, I always assumed that Torrance and Missy where in the same year.

Im even more confussed now after being told about the American schooling system...now that is confussing!!

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[–] niamh_turner99 18 years ago

the sex of the baby is determined by the sperm not the egg so the egg can split and be fertilised by 2 sperm and still produce indentical twins that aren't of the same gender. However that's not the issue, personally I think that they were twins, I have a younger brother who is constantly telling my mum he wished she'd had a boy instead of me, but I was born first thus proving that boys say that regardless of what age their sister is.

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[–] bbbz 18 years ago

"the sex of the baby is determined by the sperm not the egg so the egg can split and be fertilised by 2 sperm and still produce indentical twins that aren't of the same gender"

nonsense!

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[–] k_urquhart14 19 years ago

yeah...it's impossible. you're friends are fraternal.

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[–] hakyhiqz 19 years ago

I think they were either twins, but he said "You know i begged my mom for a brother."
So i guess she was a sophmore...
Or cliff was held back one year if they were twins.

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[–] AND77 19 years ago

They are not twins.
Cliff is a senior like Torrence - they're in the same homeroom. Missy is either a sophomore or junior - we know she's 16 and drives her own car, so if she's a sophomore, she's an older one (how many sophomores are 16 when the school year first begins? not many).
When he said, "I begged my mom for a brother," they are telling us that Cliff is probably 2 yrs older than Missy.
My guess is that he's an older senior (he's already 18), and she's a normal-aged junior (16).

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[–] jannghi 18 years ago

Atually, Cliff and Torrance meet in an advanced chemistry class. They never say anything about homeroom; they might not eve have such a thing anymore. I graduated 17 years ago (And I live in California) and my high school had no homeroom (attendance was taken during first period). There was no advanced chamistry at my high school, did anyone have such a thing at theirs? It's likely only availble to seniors, since most high school studnts take chemistry as a junior (some like myself did not take chem until senior year, depedning on when we met the correct math prerequisities).

I always believed Cliff was older, and about Missy being able to drive. Since 16 is the minimum driving age in most states including California, Missy is very well old enough to be a junior. She most likely turned 16 during the second half (January thru June) of her sophomore year or during the summer between the two grades.

Spoiler below:

A deleted scene on the DVD has Cliff and Torrance (now dating) in college where she is a cheerleader hoping to become captain. Unfortunately, Isis is attending the same college and she too is determined to capture the captain spot. So Cliff must have been a senior if he and Torrance wind up in college together.

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[–] TheaterGeek26 18 years ago

Not to like steal your thunder or whatever, Cliff and Tor meet in study hall.

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[–] binki5121221 16 years ago

No, they met in either homeroom or study hall. He sees her Advanced Chemistry book and is surprised. Clearly, he would not have been surprised when seeing the book if they were in that class together. We had no homeroom either, except like once every six or nine weeks. And yes, there was Advanced and AP Chemistry at my school, offered to juniors, as Chemistry was the normal junior year science class. In senior year, if a person wanted an advanced diploma, he or she could take another science class, such as Environmental Science, Earth Science 2, Bio 2 Seminar, or Physics. In order to take Chemistry in my school, you either had to have already completed or be taking Algebra II at the same time.

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[–] brandy_walker82 16 years ago

I'm going with Irish twins. Siblings born less than a year apat from one another. If all was timed right they's start school at the same time. Say you have to be born on or before Dec. 1st to start school. You have one kid born Dec./Jan have the second kid Oct./Nov. Both would start the beginning of the school year (Aug/Sept, most school districts). In order for him to have asked for a brother or sister I'm gonna say he'd have had to have been at least 1.5 years, I think it's him being funny.

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[–] lennon42 19 years ago

Not to get into a whole scientific debate on the board for a movie, but it's not impossible. It's just very very rare (according to Wikipedia, only 3 documented cases). Whoever said earlier that the egg would be hermaphroditic was pretty close - you start with an XXY zygote and drop one of the three during the twinning to get separated genders...

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[–] TrueLove621 19 years ago

They are not twins, Missy is younger; dont know by how much. in the book that was made, it says that missy became the new captin of the team when torrance went to college, and that Cliff went to the same one she did

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[–] BuffyBoi 19 years ago

Ok, I apologize, my friends are fraternal twins lol. I asked them and they said they were. I sorta just assumed because they look pretty much exactly the same lol.

And also, there was a book made?! This is like one of my favourite movies, so... where can I find this book???

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[–] laurenisalltherage 16 years ago

Uh... I have two friends that are a girl and a boy, and they're identical twins, lol.

This is the single most retarded thing I have EVER seen on imdb boards.

It is impossible to have boy/girl identical twins. Think about what you're saying!

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[–] elfiedaelf 15 years ago

You do know he cleared that up 26 months before your post!

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[–] JudasJAP 15 years ago

Yes, I'm fully aware thanks. Take care.

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[–] LadyB2012 15 years ago

i love how people are calling each other stupid about the "identical opposite sex twins" thing.

people are all like "ZOMG U R SOOO STUPID U CANNONT HAVE BOY/GIRL IDENTICAL TWINS!! GOSH WHAT DID YOU LEARN IN SCHOOl?!?!?!?"

wow really?! actually you CAN have boy girl identical twins...and who cares, cliff and missy were OBVIOUSLY not that anyway...its just a movie and clearly the actors aren't related so why would the writers even go that route!? if anything the writers would claim they are fraternal....mary kate and ashley are fraternal but strikingly similar in appearance, yet related so writers can get away with casting them as identical twins...but this is not the same...i could understand if the actual actors were boy/girl identical twins but they aren't...so why would the writers even incorporate that into the movie?!

anyway, about identical boy/girl twins...its EXTREMELY rare...what happens is identical twin BOYS are conceived, and one of the boys will LOSE their "Y" chromosome...(I know...really out of this world, huh? lol) and so you end up with one twin boy being XY, and the other one being X0, which then causes it to be a girl. this girl now has what is called "Turners Syndrome". She is probably never going to be taller than 4'8" and she will probably never be able to conceive children of her own. there have only been SIX reported cases of boy/girl identical twins in the WORLD...so like i said...RARE...very rare.

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[–] theporter03 16 years ago

colourblind is right, identical twins are ALWAYS the same gender. your friends who are boy/girl are fraternal twins and are mistaken (or you are) about being identical twins, because it isn't possible. and i was always confused about the missy /cliff thing as well, it bugs the crap out of me that the film makers never really addressed the subject to clear up who was older or if they were twins.

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[–] mr-frisco 18 years ago

actually you can have identical different sex twins. we just call them fraternal anyway because clearly they arent EXACTLY the same but they're still identical

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[–] Fr3cklez0486 18 years ago

Hi! This question also buggs the hell out of me! from what i got out of it. since Cliff was in Torrances class I think he's a Senior. and bc he says I begged my mom for a brother, I'm guessing she's younger.like a junior. I dont know. it kinda bugs me. oh and another thing...they transfered from Los Angeles but doesnt he say something like "I remember when I cheered for my old school in Detroit" I really heard that..I dont know.

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[–] cathtastic 18 years ago

By the way you can't get identical twins that are of a different gender....don't you think if a boy and a girl looked exactly the same that would be a bit weird........and also they can't be twins because how would cliff have begged his mum for a brother....before he was alive???

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[–] samanthayh 18 years ago

THEY ARE NOT TWINS BECAUSE CLIFF SAID IN THE MOVIE: I BEGGED MY MOM FOR A BROTHER!!!

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[–] Aurora_7 18 years ago

I don't know if this is been said previously, because yeah I couldn't be bothered reading all the posts.

But here's what I think. Cliff is a senior like Torrance because they were in the same class. I'm guessing Missy is a year younger as she wasn't in Torrance's classes either and first time Torrance sees her is at the Cheerleading try-outs.

So no they are not twins.

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[–] downearthy 18 years ago

Okay yall are slow. Why do u have to be in the same class to be considered in that grade. THERE ARE DIFFERNT PERIODS!!! Missy could be a senior and be down the hall in Pre Cal and Tor and Cliff down in Chem during the same period. Come on ppl. I mean just cuz one senior is in one class don't mean all the seniors are in that class at the same time. shesh. Yall act like yall never been in high school.

I take it that Missy and Cliff were fraternal twins but not identical. Missy being the older since she was taller. Cliff is just rugged. That makes him look older. And the quote "I begged my mom for a brother" is sarcasm. Geez he was kidding. Yall are takin it like it's fact. Missy said she would miss Tor next year could be because well i don't know THEY MAY GO TO DIFFERENT COLLEGES! Dang yall act like when they graduate they got to go to the same college. Be real.

Yes you can have a male and female identical twins but they are fraternal. I have a nephew and niece who are identical and they are fraternal. They are 17 They look exactly alike except my niece has long hair, long eyelashes and fuller lips and she had breasts. Her brother is the same without the long eyelashes, full lips and breasts. But they are the same if u cut her hair u have him (which they did on halloween two years ago it was funny My sister had a fit that my niece cut her hair. My niece even wore a girdle around her chest to make it look flat. They dressed as each other and came down stairs and we thought they were one another. Until they started to talk. It was funny yet weird). NO LIE! And no they don't look weird. It's not like she looks manish and he looks feminine they look the male and female part they just look the same (believe it or not thats the best as i can describe it. Same eye color, hair color/texture, dimples, ears, chin, nose, they even laugh the same. Which is so funny. But yeah.

Sorry for the sarcasm and whinning but come one some of this is so simple and taken out of context.

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[–] bsb205 18 years ago

this is old. they are not twins. missy is older than cliff.

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[–] Jessie_Lynn1086 18 years ago

Twins cannot be identical and fraternal at the same time.

IDENTICAL means that they have IDENTICAL DNA. Therefore, there can't be one boy and one girl because the X and Y chromosomes wouldn't match up. IDENTICAL also means that ONE FERTILIZED EGG (meaning the one egg and a sperm are already combined together at this point) splits to form two ZYGOTES (the fancy name for a fertilized egg). These two identical zygotes grow into two identical babies, meaning 2 girls or 2 boys, not one of each because that wouldn't be IDENTICAL.

FRATERNAL twins happen when TWO SEPARATE EGGS are fertilized by TWO SEPARATE SPERM at the SAME TIME. This means that when the mom was ovulating, 2 eggs were released instead of 1. So these TWO EGGS are fertilized by TWO SPERM. These TWO EGGS and TWO SPERM make TWO ZYGOTES which grow into TWO BABIES. The DNA of these babies is NOT identical, therefore the twins are not identical. They are instead fraternal.

Here is are some links explaining the difference between IDENTICAL and FRATERNAL twins:

http://kie.berkeley.edu/ned/data/E01-971116-001/full.html

http://www.paternityangel.com/Preg_info_zone/Multiple/Multiple1.htm

http://www.gynob.com/fratidentwins.htm

http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art2778.asp

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/35567/the_difference_between_fraternal_and.html

There have been reports of twins being semi-indentical though. Here is a link to that info:

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/03/27/2059230&from=rss

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[–] jannghi 18 years ago

Yes, Missy is taller than Cliff, but that doens't mean she has to be older. Someone can be taller than another person who is older. In a case like Cliff and Missy's, such a trait may be indicative of one tall and one short parent. Not a genetics expeert here, I must admit, but such a genetic trait seems possible. Anyone know this for sure?

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[–] TheaterGeek26 16 years ago

My brother is my junior by two years and he's almost a foot and a haf taller than me.

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[–] sweet_bb202 18 years ago

I watched one of the bonus features a long time ago, and I just remembered that there's a deleted scene that shows Torrence and Cliff (Missy is nowhere to be seen) attending the same college a year later, so they're likely the same age. Isis is there too, and the girls are now on the same cheer squad, playfully arguing over who's going to make captain. I've heard this was originally intended to be the last scene of the movie.

I always thought Cliff and Missy were twins, but after watching it again recently I caught that line of Cliff's where he says "I begged my parents for a brother". This along with that deleted scene makes me think that he is indeed a year or two ahead of Missy.

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[–] Beannie75 18 years ago

Identical versus Fraternal Twins.

For all of you saying that a set of twins that include a male and female are identical because "they look alike" read this:

Identical twins
These pairs, with their breathtaking similarities, come from the same egg and sperm. After the egg and sperm have joined, the resultant cell, called a zygote, starts to multiply into the millions of diverse cells that eventually compose a single baby. In identical twins, however, the resultant cell separates into two zygotes, each with the same genetic material. This includes identical DNA. A DNA test would not be able to determine differences between identical twins.

Fraternal twins
On the other hand, fraternal twins are the result of two different eggs becoming fertilized by two different sperm. Although both zygotes share the same uterus, they are no more similar than any other set of siblings. Fertility drugs increase your chances of having this type of pair. Fraternal twins share only 50% of their genes (like regular siblings).

My brother, sister and I all look alike, but my sister is three years older than I am and my brother is seven years younger. So the boy/girl twins you all know that you call identical simply share features because they are siblings. And whoever said that if Missy and Cliff are twins, Missy is older because she is taller is just silly. My little brother is taller than my sister and me. Like I've said -- he's 7 years younger than I am and 10 years younger than my sister.

One thing that probably confuses a lot of people is that sometimes, fraternal twins can look enough alike to be confused with identical twins. One famous example would be the Olsen twins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary-Kate_and_Ashley_Olsen)

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[–] MilitantSheep 18 years ago

Okay, moving away from the whole 'identical/non-identical twins' thing, can somebody explain the whole sophomore/junior/senior thing to me? I'm English, we just have reception, year one, year two etc right the way up to year eleven adn then year 12 and 13 if you stay in sixth form. And what was that Torrance said about college being 'my four years' in one of the deleted scenes? We only have 3 years of uni here. Is there one less year of school over there?

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[–] LadyB2012 18 years ago

honestly, if you think about it, twins or not, he had to be jokign when he said "i begged my mom for a sister" either way, he was too young to care about gender for them to even be in high school together..he could have been anywhere between 6 months old, to like, 3 1/2, and most kids dont really give a crud about gender of siblings until their old enough to REALLY understand the difference between boys and girls. so either way, he was clearly just kidding...

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[–] charleycp 18 years ago

I'm English too but thanks to years of reading American high school books I can tell you yes, their school system is different than ours.
They start High School at 14 as a 'Freshman', next year 'Sophomore', next year 'Junior' and leave at 18 as a 'Senior'. They are also at uni for 4 years instead of the usual 3 here. xx

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[–] miss_cand 18 years ago

Actually Cliff and Torrance do meet in homeroom, not in Advanced Chem; Cliff just happens to notice Torrance's text book and then comments on the fact that she takes advanced chem.

In my opinion Cliff and Torrance are seniors and Missy is a junior. The previously mentioned 'I begged my mom for a brother' comment and the bit where Torrance says "I'm going to miss you next year" seem to suggest that. I don't really think it's relevant how old they look though because firstly, they pretty much always use actors in their twenties to play teenagers and secondly, kids today look a hell of a lot older than what they are - Missy could easily be a junior who looks the same age as the seniors; my sister is 16, I'm 19 and people always think we look the same age!

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[–] jannghi 18 years ago

Actually Cliff and Torrance do meet in homeroom, not in Advanced Chem; Cliff just happens to notice Torrance's text book and then comments on the fact that she takes advanced chem.

But Torrance adds the advanced chem class on the second day of school (after her mom's comments on her overly light academic schedule), so she can't already have the textbook if the chem class takes place after homreoom or study hall or whatever, and she hasn't yet added the class.

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[–] TheaterGeek26 16 years ago

Yeah, we have kindergarden through twelfth grade (high school seniors), then should people decide to go to a university their time there is dependent on what they decide to pursue in the line of employment. Just a basic degree would be four years (most times). Professions like doctors or lawyers will take longer. Doctors go for eight years, lawyers I think is like five or six years because there's all the basic learning, then after those four years are done, people will focus more on their profession of choice.

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[–] SataiDelen 9 years ago

OK, I'm way, WAY late on this, but yes, MilitantSheep, your schooling system is very different from ours, and even ours in elementary school can very depending on where you live. Where I went to school, elementary school consisted of Pre-School (3 and 4 years old), elementary school which consisted of Kindergarten - fifth grade (aged 5/6 - 10/11), Junior High which was 6th - 8th grade (aged 11/12 - 14/15), and finally, High School which was aged 14/15 - 17/18. I was 17 when I graduated high school. College then begins at ages 18/19 if you decide to continue on with college, but it is four years. And as I said, it varies except for College. College begins minimum age 18 unless you're an "advanced" student who already began taking college early. Some elementary schools have kindergarten through 6th grade, Junior high as 7th through 9th, and High School only being three years with 12th through 14th (or Sophomore through Senior).

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[–] aalikane 18 years ago

I'm assuming that cliff was held back, and Missy was a Sophmore. Cliff 'begged his parents for a brother' but when you are 1 year old, you can't really beg for a brother (you can't even remember it) When you are two, you really don't know what happens when a parent is pregnant. In order for him to BEG for a brother he'd have to be around 3-4 or older

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[–] miss_cand 18 years ago

I don't agree with you there, aalikane, although this is kind of silly to be referring to the childhoods of fictional characters, we could imagine Cliff as a one or two year old being asked whether he would like a brother or a sister and him being like 'oh can I have a brother please?' (as little kids who don't really understand pregnancy do - my little cousin was honestly like this!). He doesn't necessarily have to remember saying this (obviously you wouldn't remember much from when you're THAT young), it could just be one of those embarassing childhood things his parents have told him about since then.

In fact, the whole 'I begged my mom for a brother' line doesn't even have to have actually happened, it's just there to show that Cliff was born before Missy if you get what I'm saying?
I've thought about this WAY too much so I'm going to stop now :P

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[–] ianjosephbrooks 18 years ago

Cliff is older...he is in advance chem with torrance because she took that class as an extra major...

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[–] jdr_ph 18 years ago

I agree with those who said that they were not twins but just siblings with Missy being the younger one. As for the identical/fraternal twins issue, my brother,who is a doctor, told me that identical twins are identical in gender and appearance because of an egg,fertilized by one sperm, that split in half. Fraternal twins come from an egg,fertilized by two sperms, that split in half. Hence, fraternal twins tend to be different in gender and in appearance but some can look the same like some siblings tend to look similar even though they are not twins. An egg that did not split in half successfully produces siamese twins. My brother also said that this genetic predisposition is inherited by the women of the family and not the males. Our family has this genetic predisposition which I may or may not inherit, me being a woman, but my brothers definitely won't inherit it.

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[–] SeinfeldFriend 17 years ago

Your brother will still carry the twin gene on when they have children, but the actual possibility of having twins will only be through the females. ie. If your brother has a girl, she could possibly have twins as the twin gene will have been passed from your brother. And so on....
My husbands father is an identical twin, therefore we have no chance of having twins , but that my husband will pass that gene onto our children. If we have a girl, she will have a chance of having twins, whereas a male will not, but still pass that gene on.
This twin thing is tricky business!!! :)

And back on to "Bring it on", Cliff and Torrance are older and Missy is younger, the "begged my Mom for a Brother" line was for that purpose, although it was done extremely badly. Not very clear at all!

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[–] thelastpoet05 18 years ago

It's clear that Cliff is a senior, so that makes him either 17 or 18 (it's very possible for him to be 18 if his birthday is after September 1st; most school jurisdictions make you start kindergarten a year later if you haven't turned 5 by Sept. 1, so Cliff would have started kindergarten at age 6, which would put him in 12th grade at age 18 instead of age 17).

Now, the question is, how old is Missy? It's obvious that she is AT LEAST 16 (since she drives). If she is 16, then she is either a sophomore who's birthday is after Sept. 1 OR a junior who's birthday is in between January and August. There is a THIRD possiblity, that she is a 17-year-old junior (and her birthday would be after Sept. 1).

If Missy is 16, then Cliff could be either 17 or 18
If Missy is 17, then Cliff would HAVE to be 18 since he is definitely older.

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[–] aestericia 18 years ago

Advanced Placement classes are also offered to juniors, so cliff could also be a junior.

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[–] thelastpoet05 16 years ago

No, he couldn't be, at least not according to the deleted scene that puts him in college with Isis and Torrance.

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