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Heat Shootout vs WotG Shootout?

posted 17 years ago by MaximusXXX
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Both are relatively the same length and have many bullets flying, course casualties are much higher in WotG but in your opinion which is the better shootout scene?

I think WotG because to me it was much more riveting considering how one of the guys jumps into those broken bottles and then gets the strength to take one of the bags and makes a run for it, that what, 30 seconds was so on edge and it has that " maybe he can make it " aspect.

Amazing, I'm surprised how this movie is rated 6.5 course IMDB ratings are mostly crap but still.

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[–] sepsism 17 years ago

Yeah it deserves higher than a 6.5, from memory I gave it a 9\10. I rented it purely by accident and had no idea what to expect at all (best way to do it). Had been a fan of Benicio Del Toro since Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas and Snatch so decided to give it a spin because I had nothing else to rent.

Both are relatively the same length and have many bullets flying, course casualties are much higher in WotG but in your opinion which is the better shootout scene?

I'd say the shootout was longer in Heat and more rounds expended, both are excellent shootouts though. Probably the best two in recent memory.

I think the WotG shootout was more fun and action-packed personally, but hard to pick an outright favorite.

I think WotG because to me it was much more riveting considering how one of the guys jumps into those broken bottles and then gets the strength to take one of the bags and makes a run for it, that what, 30 seconds was so on edge and it has that " maybe he can make it " aspect.

Yeah the bit with the broken glass was great, and the fact that they don't "win" was kinda cool and something different.

Top flick.

"Death solves all problems - no man, no problem." - Joseph Stalin

[–] philipj980 17 years ago

They are both without a doubt the best 2 shoot outs in film history.

I like TWOTG best because of the little details.
one hand press check(ok not needed in the middle of a fight but cool anyway) and one handed loading of the 1911's ( which you need to do if you have been shot in the arm )etc etc Tactical reloads and their guns fire the correct amount of rounds which as we know does not always happen
Plus in at least one scene I think parker pockets an empty magazine. Which is what you need to do if you want to re load it at a later date :) magazines just dont grow on trees so leaving them all over the floor leaves you with a gun you cant fire eventualy

I need to watch it again but I think near the begining one of them clears a stopage as well. all good stuff.

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[–] ozymandias312 17 years ago

"I like TWOTG best because of the little details.
one hand press check(ok not needed in the middle of a fight but cool anyway) and one handed loading of the 1911's ( which you need to do if you have been shot in the arm )etc etc Tactical reloads and their guns fire the correct amount of rounds which as we know does not always happen
Plus in at least one scene I think parker pockets an empty magazine. Which is what you need to do if you want to re load it at a later date :) magazines just dont grow on trees so leaving them all over the floor leaves you with a gun you cant fire eventualy

I need to watch it again but I think near the begining one of them clears a stopage as well. all good stuff."

Yeah. I concur.

The only thing (tactically) Del Toro did that struck me as unwise was emptying the entire magazine of his best and most powerful weapon _blindly_ through the wall, trying to get on the remaining bodyguard (Diggs).

Ozy

And I stood where I did be; for there was no more use to run; And again I lookt with my hope gone.

[–] mxlflx 16 years ago

I prefer the audio to the Heat shootout, it was ground-breaking and authentic in Dolby 5.1. Yet,I prefer the close-quarters nature of TwotG showdown.

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[–] alexrpeters 13 years ago

// Plus in at least one scene I think parker pockets an empty magazine. Which is what you need to do if you want to re load it at a later date :) magazines just dont grow on trees so leaving them all over the floor leaves you with a gun you cant fire eventualy //

Can anyone point to the exact runtime when this scene occurred?

I've never seen a movie where the guys save their magazines but it makes perfect sense.

Would also like to have the exact time of the scene where he clears a stoppage as well

[–] bert-114 17 years ago

I prefer the WotG shootout, mainly because they feature 1911s, and that the 1911s are used properly in all forms of the art.. low-thumb, high-thumb, one-hand press check, etc, etc.. I didn't spy any overhand slide releases though, only slide stop use, I think.

They are quite different, though. The rifle is discarded early in this shootout, and remains a close-quarters handgun battle. Heat is all about creating a war zone in the middle of the city. I really, really like both.

[–] MolonLabe88 16 years ago

Excellent observation. There was no overhand slide release. And why the *beep* did Longbau only have one mag for the Galil? Great realism, however why the hell did the old men have the .38 wheelguns? Yeh, they are old school, but why not at least a shotgun? The leap-frog technique the robbers used in HEAT to escape was textbook and could be used for a training video.

[–] heherrera 16 years ago

they are both great shootouts

the thing i didnt like about WotG is the way they killed all the windows over and over again... they shoot their 1911s like they where never gonna run out of ammo, they shoot mags after mags after mags without getting anyone.

another thing that, for me, is critical while watching a shootout is the sound of the guns. i hate when a guy shoots an m4 and it sounds exactly the same as the beretta or a shotgun. also the sounds on old war movies; the fifty cal unrealistic "electric sound".

what about the last shootout in miami vice??

[–] kodax2 16 years ago

I give Heat the nod here because the tactical ability of the robbers came as a complete surprise and they clearly had no other option. In WOTG, they should have spent more time going from room to room to clear out as many bagmen as possible before running into the open like that. Also, Parker and Longbough are shot repeatedly in WOTG and still fight on limping etc. In Heat, even a shot to a non vital area completely incapacitates Kilmer. I am guessing this is much more realistic.

I found it impossible to sit through Miami Vice, the movie so I will never see that last shootout.

[–] fuzzout987 16 years ago

I would say that without comparing the two WOTG and Heat at least the people involved in the shootout stop to reload and everything they do is tactically accurate, to a certain extent.

[–] longbaughs 16 years ago

They were wearing body armour.

[–] User556 13 years ago

Why would you slingshot when there is a perfectly functional slide release?

Longbaugh had 2 mags for the Galil. I suspect he didn't have more because this was 2000 and 7.62mm Galil mags sold for nearly as much as some firearms, and were rare to boot. They weren't exactly an item you could find in even well-stocked gun shops.

The old men had 2 shotgunners in their group, watch the scene again.

As far as Parker and Longbaugh not going "room to room" after the bagmen arrived, A. the bagmen were outside, only Sarno and one other dude came inside the building, and B. their interest was the money. They didn't care if they killed all the bagmen as they weren't going for the points, but the money, and the money was sitting on the fountain in the middle of the courtyard.

[–] marshaul 9 years ago

Overhand slide release isn't mandatory or factually correct or anything. I understand the arguments behind it, and I even practice it myself (primarily), but at the same time one thing I love about the 1911 is that my hands are exactly the right size that (thumb-high) my thumb is already right on top of the slide release. I don't have to adjust my grip or anything (some folks do, I've noticed).

Considering that both of these guys end up doing one-handed reloads, it's good that they weren't afraid to press the slide-stop lever instead of going overhand! ;) Heck, one of them (Longbaugh, if I recall) even does a left-handed reload, and releases the slide with his left index finger! Which is another one I practice, in addition to the right thumb and overhand methods.

I've not been in any gunfights, but I suspect I wouldn't bother going overhand unless it was completely automatic. I say this because, even though I intentionally and primarily practice overhand, I still find myself using the thumb for convenience without really thinking about it. It just works so well for me...

Not to mention that the major argument for going overhand (the whole thing about motor skills in combat) is anything but settled science.

For instance, watch Travis Haley's (who's probably as credible as anybody else) opinion on the issue at 6:20 in the following video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6Ta8t16lrk

[–] longbaughs 16 years ago

They are comparable, though of course Way of the Gun is clearly superior :P

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[–] liakyh 16 years ago

HEAT was pretty good, but WotG was superior IMO. The attention to detail (especially the time lag between the muzzle flash/bullet impact and the crack during the sniping scene.. another feature very visible in The Hurt Locker) was fantastic. Gun handling was superior in WotG too, or perhaps just the cinematographer's bigger focus on it. Another film equally amazing in it's depiction of handling is Collateral, with Tom Cruise's demonstration of the Weaver stance, quick draw and shoot from the hip, speed reloading and my favorite, the Rhodesian drill :D

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[–] jpat99 9 years ago

with Tom Cruise's demonstration of the Weaver stance, quick draw and shoot from the hip, speed reloading and my favorite, the Rhodesian drill :D

He's definitely using a more modern "strong-side isosceles" shooting stance.

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