'Future' Max - Roswell (1999) Discussion

[–] India_Ana 14 years ago

I think that question has been asked and answered before, but I don't remember the answer, or which thread it was in. You can try here:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0201391/board/flat/170146694

I'm rewatching the series, and am on S2/D2. I'm taking my time with it, but I'll try to remember to post here when I come to that ep.

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[–] alyce-bromage 14 years ago

I did read that post, in case someone had already answered it.
I have also looked through ep scripts, but did not have any luck. i would have left it, but I am so sure this has happened and its bugging me that i dont know when lol.

Would appreciate that.

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[–] India_Ana 14 years ago

Quote: by - alyce-bromage
on Fri Dec 17 2010 19:36:12

I did read that post, in case someone had already answered it.

I have also looked through ep scripts, but did not have any luck. i would have left it, but I am so sure this has happened and its bugging me that i dont know when lol.

Would appreciate that.

I thought you might have seen the thread, but thought I'd post the link in case you hadn't.

I searched for the thread that might have the info in it, but it may have been deleted. I wish IMDb held onto the threads longer ... or at least archived them somewhere so the answer/s could be found and linked to.

I guess someone should have created a Frequently Asked Questions Thread and kept it bumped close to the top. Other boards I post on do it.

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[–] alyce-bromage 14 years ago

It is frustrating when they cull out old posts...
I read the original un-cut script for "the departure", and in the un edited version liz does tell max bout his 'future' self, but for some reason i have it in my head as maria that spills the beans at one point when she's stressing out..

i'm going to keep watching, maybe one of us will find it eventually lol.

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[–] SeleneGoddess 14 years ago

It happened in the original script of the season 2 finale The Departure. Otherwise, there's no spot where it could have happened but I read the original script for the S2 finale and that was part of it...Liz 'fessed up.

Your logic does not resemble our Earth-logic.

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[–] India_Ana 14 years ago

hmmmmmm ... For some reason, I was thinking she told Max about it in: Season 2, Episode 15: Viva Las Vegas. But I've not seen the eps enough times to know for sure if I'm right. I couldn't get the channel that Roswell aired on very clearly, so I didn't watch the channel very often. I caught a few eps on Sci-Fi, (in 2006), and found I really liked the show and wished I'd seen it before it got canceled. (Maybe helped keep it on air.) I got the DVDs for Christmas, (2006), and watched them in a matter of a couple of weeks. Now watching them again to refresh my memory of the story.

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[–] SeleneGoddess 14 years ago

In Viva Las Vegas, "Max is about to leave Vegas and has a flash of him and Liz getting married in Vegas...something Future Max had told her happened. Present Max told Liz about it at the dinner where Maria sings but Liz just said it was interesting. She didn't tell him about his future self. I think she almost did or looked like she was going to but it didn't happen. Liz telling Max about his future self actually wasn't shown on tv. The only thing we saw was Max asking her, "You never slept with Kyle, did you?" and her shaking her head no. That was the big wrap up we got to that storyline.

Put up spoilers just in case people who haven't seen it yet happen to read this thread

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[–] India_Ana 14 years ago

Quote: by - SeleneGoddess
on Tue Dec 21 2010 17:05:54

In Viva Las Vegas, "Max is about to leave Vegas and has a flash of him and Liz getting married in Vegas...something Future Max had told her happened. Present Max told Liz about it at the dinner where Maria sings but Liz just said it was interesting. She didn't tell him about his future self. I think she almost did or looked like she was going to but it didn't happen. Liz telling Max about his future self actually wasn't shown on tv. The only thing we saw was Max asking her, "You never slept with Kyle, did you?" and her shaking her head no. That was the big wrap up we got to that storyline.

Put up spoilers just in case people who haven't seen it yet happen to read this thread

Yeah, and Liz tells Maria about the elopement in that ep as well. I guess that's why I thought it was the one where Liz told Max. (Liz tells Maria about Future Max in 'Season 2, Episode 9: Max in the City.')

I've seen all the eps, and Liz never tells Max about Future Max on screen. She came close in 'Season 2, Episode 21: The Departure,' so I'm thinking if that was in the script that scene must have been deleted. Or they decided last minute not to film it. Too bad they didn't add deleted scenes as a special feature. It'd even be nice if they'd come out with director's cut episode/s DVDs.

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[–] ChiBron 14 years ago

I've seen all the eps, and Liz never tells Max about Future Max on screen. She came close in 'Season 2, Episode 21: The Departure,' so I'm thinking if that was in the script that scene must have been deleted.

Yep, it was deleted. The Departure was supposed to be a 2 hour episode, but the WB heads didn't go with it, so it was reduced to 1 hour. Which meant deleting the scene where Liz explains Max about Future Max. I have actually read the script of the final episode, and the scene isn't much bigger than what we eventually did get. I don't think it would've made a difference. It was a case of too little too late anyway. The mishandling of the whole Future Max plot line was probably the biggest reason why this show failed.

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[–] India_Ana 14 years ago

I know why Liz couldn't tell Max earlier in the season, but I think she should have told him after Tess became a bigger part of the group and stuck around.

And I don't get how Tess changed the outcome anyway. She left the second go-around too, so what did they need her for? If Future Max came back from 2014, they must have survived the skins without her, so the future is still screwed.

Perhaps I should rewatch: 'The End of the World,' 'Harvest,' and 'Wipeout!' to see if I can find a clue. Maybe Tess originally left before 'Harvest' and they never confronted the skins, which would mean the skins had time to prepare for a takeover. That would make the most sense, I guess.

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[–] Itneverrains 14 years ago

TEOTW it was just a pretext to keep M&L apart. Don't try to find a logic in what happened because there isn't one.
I think that they just needed to be better prepared and work with their powers
Tess never really helped them anyway that plan was "destined" to be a complete failure. She didn't give a damn about their purpose as a group in both timelines everything she always wanted was getting in Max's pants. What she provided? No useful information from her only the endless "Max we're destiny" "Max you loved me in the other life" nothing really useful for their purpose. She was the one who made it seems that Max had to be with her at any cost but even his enemies didn't care about his romantic life (Beside it doesn't seem to me that they cared so much about a "queen" see the summit in new york where she wasn't tested and no one cared about her opinion nor they acknowledged her presence. They only cared about the king)

Maybe Tess originally left before 'Harvest' and they never confronted the skins, which would mean the skins had time to prepare for a takeover. [] That would make the most sense, I guess.

you got a point
it's legit to believe that in the other timeline they never went to copper summit and they never destroyed the skins because this is what happened
i'm not talking about Tess' blast, i'm talking about the fact that the skins' survival was linked to those "new bodies" that got destroyed before they could use them. Without them they can't survive for too long. Most likely it didn't happen in the first timeline that's why the skins got the chance to attack our planet and they became powerful.

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[–] soniae 14 years ago

TEOTW it was just a pretext to keep M&L apart. Don't try to find a logic in what happened because there isn't one.

WORD! Max AND Liz were both used for a storyline that never meant crap in the first place. It was a typical soap opera tactic which led to a one-night stand with loveless sex and a baby, just with an added alien twist!

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[–] ChiBron 14 years ago

I know why Liz couldn't tell Max earlier in the season, but I think she should have told him after Tess became a bigger part of the group and stuck around.

I always thought Liz rather enjoyed the fact that Max was still somewhat hung up on her after TEOTW. I'm sure it made her feel special. I think she feared that if Max found out about the future where Michael and Isabel are dead, he would ditch his life on Earth altogether and focus completely on what was required to save his family. He might have even initiated a relationship of sorts with Tess to keep her around(something he actually did do in canon once he deemed himself and Liz over). So I think Liz was insecure of what Max would do if he found out the truth, and thus never told him the truth. I think she somewhat enjoyed having it both ways - to be the martyr that ended up Saving the World, while also assuring she remained special to Max while keeping him in the dark about F!Max. This partly explains her rather hypocritical anger towards him during the latter portions of S2 after him and Tess get together. I think she finally realized she was no long 'IT' for him.

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[–] India_Ana 14 years ago

I've been thinking about what Tess changed that might save them in the future.

1. She got pregnant with Max's baby and went back 'home,' where the enemies learned that the baby was human. Perhaps they then came to the conclusion that the Royal Four couldn't have alien babies with powers ... so they didn't see them as much of a threat anymore. (And Zan will be around 12-years-old in 2014, so maybe he somehow helps save the day. )

2. Tess came back to earth and stirred up a hornet's nest. So the gang had to leave town and go on the run. (Before 'Future Max' everyone would have stayed in contact with their families and the 'skins' would have better access to them when it came time to kill them. As it is now, they'll have to find them first.)

Apparently the enemy doesn't know that the four are using powers that come from their human forms, therefore, their children should be able to also learn to use those powers.

And I don't like plot decoys that don't fit into the story at all. If Future Max says they need Tess, then they should need Tess. I hate when shows throw in everything, including the kitchen sink, and don't bother to work it out so it all makes sense.

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[–] India_Ana 14 years ago

Okay. I rewatched: 'The End of the World,' 'Harvest,' and 'Wipeout!'

In 'Harvest' it was Tess that had the envelop/letter that led them to the skin's hometown of Copper Summit, Arizona. If Tess had run away before that event, perhaps no one else would have found the envelop/letter and connected the dots ... and if the skins hadn't been defeated in 'Harvest' & 'Wipeout!' there most likely wouldn't have been a need for the summit. No summit: Zan isn't killed, and the 'Pod Squad' never meet 'The Dupes.'

If no summit, Max doesn't know to contact Laric (Brody) about the blue crystals, and they don't know to kill the queen, or that earth is in danger from the blue crystals. So that's two enemies out there to take over the world.

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[–] evmill 11 years ago

Bloody hell.The only thing that's worse than these "character from the future" story-lines are threads like this.

F-Max went back in time to prevent a very specific future. He apparently succeeded (since he vanished). Whether or not the new future is significantly different than the original timeline is impossible to determine.

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[–] jivedani-83-315984 13 years ago

I just watched this episode. I really see the show take a downward turn after this episode. I love the first season so much, besides for all that destiny crap. Ugh. I'm rewatching season 2 now and I'm just hating it. Does anyone know the whole deal with Isabel/Valandra betraying Max and Michael? I still am not clear on what that is about.

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[–] blugirlami21 13 years ago

Vilandra betrayed Zan and Rath in their past lives on Antar by giving the skins the granilith I believe. Vilandra was in love with the leader of the rebellion Kivar. Isabel is being told by the enemy that she is really one of them and that Kivar wants her back on their home planet. She has fears that she will betray Max and Michael like she did in the past. Hope that helps clear things up for you.

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[–] ajhdettmer 11 years ago

Me thinks melodramatic endless loops always damaging the characters along the
way,because they are to artificial to be believable and simply a pain to watch.
And Roswell is especially painfull in that regard. By the time of the future max
episode certainly 99% of the roswell-viewership was deeply pissed about the writers handling of the romantic aspect. It was just stale to keep up a status quo out of writers conveniance.

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[–] sixpetite 14 years ago

I definitely preferred Max with longer hair, or slicked back hair like "Doctor Max" had in the Christmas ep.

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[–] alyce-bromage 14 years ago

Lol yeh the long hair was pretty awesome. slicked back was a bit ugly tho.

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[–] AnnieBell 14 years ago

I was very attracted to Future Max. Which is weird, cause I wasn't attracted to him before.

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[–] blugirlami21 14 years ago

I was as well...best episode ever. I think that Tess not leaving Roswell as she had in the other timeline meant that she and Max didn't have sex and she didn't get pregnant which changes a lot of things. Like other posters have said, she then didn't return to Antar where everyone knew that the chosen king and queen of the royal four produced a completely human baby.

I'm pretty sure that Liz never told Max that she was visited by future Max. If she told him while Tess was still around, i think that would completely undermine everything she did to make Max fall out of love with her. And after Tess left I just don't think the why of her pretending to sleep with Kyle mattered anymore.

On a side note how can Liz really be mad about Max moving on with Tess and sleeping with her when that was the plan all along? Sure he didn't mean to get her pregnant but the expectation was that they would be together in some romantic fashion right?

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[–] ChiBron 14 years ago

^ Liz did have the right to be upset over M/T, she just didn't have the right to be upset at Max. She was a massive BITCH for acting like Max somehow wronged her by getting together with Tess.

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[–] India_Ana 14 years ago

Quote: by - sixpetite
on Tue Dec 21 2010 16:57:51

I definitely preferred Max with longer hair, or slicked back hair like "Doctor Max" had in the Christmas ep.

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[–] meira-hand 10 years ago

It was supposed to be in The Departure, when Max is having his last goodbyes from Liz, but the scene was cut.

Between him saying: "Liz, you never slept with Kyle, did you?" and
"I wish... I wish this all could have been different. I wish that so much." -
she tells him about future Max. The exact transcript is here (including acting instruction, which makes it come alive):

http://www.tv.com/shows/roswell/forums/deleted-scenes-357-820707/

It could have been epic to see.
Just reading it I get so frustrated that they decided to cut it.

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[–] mercyah 10 years ago

I didnt mind future Max at all. Jason was hot and the character was well played. Especially the final dance with him and younger Liz .

But yes I remember that cut scene in Departure as well! I'm still irritated they took that out.

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[–] cobnut 9 years ago

The thing that annoyed me is that the Antar aliens can't survive Earth's atmosphere without human form (skins, human DNA, shapeshifting ability + the weird pills Nasedo was always popping). Yet baby Zan is 'completely human' and appears to have survived Antar's atmosphere just fine for months? Surely if it doesn't work one way it doesn't work the other. If Antar's atmosphere is similar enough to Earth's for a fragile human baby to survive without adverse effects, then why is Earth's atmosphere enough to make the aliens perish within milliseconds, like Courtney did once she left her skin?

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