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Lindsay's reason for rebelling


I mean, I know she was close to her grandmother and felt sad and angry at her death, I found it ridiculous for that to be the reason to throw away her life. She was old, I mean Lindsay's parents weren't young, so the grandmother had to be pretty old (I never remembered which parent of Lindsay's she was). I could understand it better if one or both of her parents died (especially if it was in a sudden and/or tragic way, I had a friend in high school who had both of her parents die in a car accident). But the grandmother was old and ill. Sad, but not enough reason to act like Lindsay did.

Why do they call 'em soap operas anyway? Those things are FILTHY!----Fred Sanford

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We can only assume that there was a lot of emotional investment with her grandmother that the viewers were never clued in on. I think the show was trying to cast a light on the women's lib movement of the 1970's. We could further theorize that she found mom and dad particularly suffocating intellectually. Kids often struggle to be direct with parents in terms of feelings because there is a struggle going on in terms of authority versus freedom.

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Nice insight, thanks!

Why do they call 'em soap operas anyway? Those things are FILTHY!----Fred Sanford

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Lindsay didn't rebel because her grandma died. She was very close with her, but she tells Sam that she was alone with her grandma when she was dying. Lindsay asked her if there was anything, like a light or something to prove their was something after this life, but her grandma told her no, there was nothing. She said that she was a good person all her life and when she died there was nothing.

She didn't "rebel" she just stopped caring because she figured there was nothing other than this life.

Just look at the episode where she got to the car accident. She immediately reverted to her old lifestyle because she realized actions do have consequences in this world.

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I don't that the scene you refer to means anything without context. How would grandma know if there was a light or not since by legend you are dead and not heading back towards the living before you see it? Further, on spiritual advice I would not go by any one person's opinion and as intelligent as Lindsay was I would think that she would seek out more than one opinion.

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I didn't make up that scene. It's in the episode where Lindsay is telling Sam why she's changed. Lindsay was book smart but she did a lot of dumb things over the series. Like any normal teenager.

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I know you are not making anything up. I just do not buy the scene or the explanation. In the scheme of things the explanation is not that important to Lindsay's change. As you said teens go through changes. I saw kids while in school that went from achievers to slackers. Dad loses a job. Mom and Dad split up. Sibling commits suicide. A lot of things can throw a kid off of their stride.

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I don't consider anything she did to be throwing her life away. Not even close. She was a good person who was having an existential crisis that made her question the way we she living her life. All of the adults in her life were pushing her to work towards the future. What good is that if everyone dies in the end? In that state she was drawn to the nihilism of the freaks, a group of kids who didn't pretend to have the answer to life, who didn't care about the future, and at least on the surface, seemed happy doing what they were doing. In every instance except the last one, they are the ones pulling her into trouble over and over again.

When I look back at the people I went to high school with, it's easy to see the ones who really did end up throwing their lives away. They constantly skipped school, failed easy classes, were arrested, openly hated their parents, partied constantly, and regularly did hard drugs even at school. And they turned into adults who had troubled lives. Lindsay tested boundaries but she never went very far.

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Exactly, all she did was seek out a new group of friends. With other kids who didn't seem to care either. She kept doing good in school, she experimented with drinking and drugs, but didn't like them so she didn't keep doing it. Even her parents weren't that worried about her, because all she did was basically change her clothes. And it that was something she could have done with or without any significant event happening to her.

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I thought it was weird she accepted that as proof that there's no afterlife. I don't believe in it, but wouldn't you experience it after you were officially dead, not while you're still talking to people?

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I took it as she was just trying new things opposed of what she had set up for her life because she felt empty and aimless now.

Lindsay reminds me this other character Jenny (Carey Mulligan) in "An Education". Watch this clip of her and Emma Thompson discussing the purpose of education: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmOvg7JKjVI

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I think her death hit her hard, that was why she always wore the same jacket, I think it was one of those am I living my life to the fullest moments, where is all this education going to get me, am I happy sort of moments, what am I missing out on, her journey doesn't finish within the season, it clearly had some ways to go. You could see her use her old life like a comfort zone when things got a little too crazy, she was a good person with a good upbringing and she was definitely learning that some of the crazy she exposed herself too was for her and other things not so much. She also learn't that judging a book by the cover was wrong and that some of the people she was encouraged to avoid were good people who made mistakes who were going through tough times themselves and deserved more of her time and more of a chance. She was also buckling under the pressure and expectation of her parents, teachers and peers and enjoyed that some people out there didn't really give a damn about how academic she was other than it was something to form a joke out of in the group banter, like shes smart, that's her thing.

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Lindsay was a teenager. Teenagers typically rebel; it's part of growing up and becoming autonomous. Many teens rebel in small ways here and there; Lindsay had been a nose-to-the-grindstone "good" girl for as far back as she could remember. It stands to reason that when she rebelled, she rebelled hard.

I was very like Lindsay - shy, straight A's, socially inept. When I rebelled, in tenth grade, I started shoplifting, cutting school, and smoking cigarettes. Over the next five years or so I became a complete pot-head, burned more brain cells than I care to admit with nitrous oxide, drank like a fish, quit jobs left and right, and spent most of my time at the beach. A few years later I went back to school, finished out a college degree, and went right back to being the good girl I was born to be.

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I don't think Lindsay believes her old friends are "phoney" at all. I believe it's simply that she realizes that she has changed, her interests and beliefs have changed. She no longer is interested or prioritizes the same things as this old group of friends. She attempts to return however it's just not important to her at the time.

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I concur with woody here. I don´t think Lindsay sees them as worse than her freak friends. They´re not really doing or saying anything bad. She just realizes she no longer belong with them. She´s moved on.

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Can we really rationalize why teenagers do anything? You can have 5 teenagers go through the same traumatic experience and they will all react a different way and make up a lame excuse for their behavior. There's no "reason" for anything.

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There usually is a reason, it just varies from teenager to teenager.

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She didn't throw away her life she become a social worker after her escapade.

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